Defective gun?

Are you shooting indoors where it could hit the dividing barrier? I get brass down my front when I do that and don't put on a high collar shirt. I've also had them go odd places outside, wind catches some and others just have a mind of their own.

Did you load the mags to max? FTE and FTF problems with new guns can come from odd spring tension when new mags are loaded all the way up. Try loading only 10 if it's a 12 rnd mag, whatever. Exactly what happened with mine: FTF issues. Now they're gone.

Highly doubt it needs lube.
Highly doubt you're limp wristing it.

Quote from BargainSnatcher : I have another question. When you fire the gun and the empty shell is ejected, should it be ejected in a certain direction? I thought i would go sideways but i had several spent shells go towards me and even had one go down my back and i'm positive some went down the front of my jacket.

M&P 9mm ejects to the right and up. If they are hitting a barrier (at an indoor shooting range) they can bounce quite a bit and hit you in the face or down your back.

Quote from medicchick : Are you shooting indoors where it could hit the dividing barrier? I get brass down my front when I do that and don't put on a high collar shirt. I've also had them go odd places outside, wind catches some and others just have a mind of their own.

It was outdoor. I was getting hit by my spent casings and when it was the turn of the person next to me i would get hit by those too.

Quote from barnz008 : Did you load the mags to max? FTE and FTF problems with new guns can come from odd spring tension when new mags are loaded all the way up. Try loading only 10 if it's a 12 rnd mag, whatever. Exactly what happened with mine: FTF issues. Now they're gone. Highly doubt it needs lube. Highly doubt you're limp wristing it.

Its a 17 round mag, and they only let us put in 5 rounds at a time. I have a few mags so i need to get my butt to the range and extensively test this with different mags and ammo so i can get to the bottom of the problem, find out if its me or the gun thats causing these issues i have been having.

I would advise stripping it and thoroughly cleaning it. The weapon comes with a thick grease on it from the factory that may cause the jamming issues. Limp-wristing shouldn't be as much of an issue with an M&P. When you say they "didn't chamber properly", what exactly happened? Did the round fully eject and the next one not chamber, or was there a stovepipe or what?

Nevermind....

Quote from BargainSnatcher : I have another question. When you fire the gun and the empty shell is ejected, should it be ejected in a certain direction? I thought i would go sideways but i had several spent shells go towards me and even had one go down my back and i'm positive some went down the front of my jacket.

I've fired guns that I could have put down a cup and every shell would have went in it. I've also fired some that the shells would fly everywhere. Been a while since I fired my M&P (with the price of ammo, it's been a while for any gun) so I don't remember exactly how it performed. Unless every single empty hits you in the face, I wouldn't worry too much. When you are shooting, try to wear tight shirts/jackets and a hat with some type of bill (baseball cap, boonie hat, Freddy Krueger hat Freddy vs Jason is on TV right now ). That will keep brass from going down your collar.

Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey : When you say they "didn't chamber properly", what exactly happened? Did the round fully eject and the next one not chamber, or was there a stovepipe or what?

From what i can recall, the best way to describe it is that it looked like the butt of the ammo popped up too far so that it was sticking out of the ejection port. The ammo would be pointing in a downward angle with the butt in the air.

I think i am going to clean the gun tonight and go to the range tomorrow. I'll post pictures of any problems if it happens again.

Something like this?


Or something like this?

That first picture looks about right although i don't recall seeing the second cartridge under it like that but that doesn't mean it wasn't there as I didn't look that closely. I can't tell if thats a spent cartridge or not but the jammed cartridge sticking up was unused.

Have you stripped and cleaned it since you bought it? If not, that WILL solve a lot of your issues with feeding and ejecting.

Quote from Jabbit : Have you stripped and cleaned it since you bought it? If not, that WILL solve a lot of your issues with feeding and ejecting.

Just cleaned it today. Hope it was good enough. i got this cleaning kit:
http://www.amazon.com/Kleenbore-G...eaning+kit

But when i watched this video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAUNGkhrSGw

....the guy had like 2 types of oil and a greese. All i had was the 1 oil that came with the kit. Plus he had a pick, mop, and fine cleaning tip tool all of which i didn't have. I'll stop by Cabelas tomorrow and pick some supplies up on my rounds to clean it better after i have come back from the range.

If you can't find a pic set at Cabelas try Walmart or any drug store in the dental/toothbrush section. I bought our latest one from there. I'd also pick up a big bag of cloth patches to use instead of the little ones that come with the its. A mat is nice but not crucial.

As for the brass going everywhere, my compact would do that but the expert and tactical are pretty good about throwing it in the same area, they are all .45s. My .454 Casull goes all over, I have to chase them does to get the brass back to reload it, as do the shotguns. The SCARs put it in a nice neat pile to police. It just depends on the weapon and weather conditions.

I went to the range, used about 115 rounds using 2 mags and had no problems.

So thank you everyone for your advice