Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop/Dorner thread

Quote from BPyser1 : Wow, it seems that the Cops are the ones who started the fire. Here's the released Cop Scanner audio from the LAPD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feat...CdqybEfy9w Listen in at 1:05 - "We're gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn" Then at 1:26 - "Burners Deployed, we have a fire" It seems that the LAPD wanted to either torch down the cabin to force Dorner out or trap and kill him in the blaze (their intentions aren't made clear in the scanner recording). As the fire started burning, Dorner, instead of trying to escape, killed himself (the police said there was one shot fired from within the cabin at 3:05) as he realized that it was now over.

Even if they are I'm fine with that. The guy had an option to come out, hell that on top of his MANY other options to turn himself in and not shoot any more cops or harm any more civilians.

This guy clearly knew how to defend himself. I'd much rather no more people be hurt and while that includes him at the same time he chose to barricade himself inside the house and again chose to not come out.

The guy was clearly a little bit wrong in the head. If he supposedly had all these things to say about the LAPD and went to such extreme measures to make them known why in the heck would he just kill himself? Because he thought the cops would have killed him if he walked out? Even if they did the end result is the same as it is now, actually what he did gives less credence to his claim that he has this info that we must all know. If I was a sane person and had all the info in his situation I would have actually wanted to be caught so that some high profile attorney can get it out in the open. He's known nationally now and had a stage to present his evidence but in the end he decided to kill himself. If he truly did have some damaging info him killing himself was the worst thing he could have possibly done at that point.

When you're butt-hurt, it's hard to think straight.

Quote from LivninSC : Even if they are I'm fine with that. The guy had an option to come out, hell that on top of his MANY other options to turn himself in and not shoot any more cops or harm any more civilians.

The idea that the cops have incendiary grenades is pretty messed up (even if they have other uses), and the idea that they've been recorded as saying what the said, is equally so.

Quote from LivninSC : The guy was clearly a little bit wrong in the head. If he supposedly had all these things to say about the LAPD and went to such extreme measures to make them known why in the heck would he just kill himself? Because he thought the cops would have killed him if he walked out? Even if they did the end result is the same as it is now, actually what he did gives less credence to his claim that he has this info that we must all know. If I was a sane person and had all the info in his situation I would have actually wanted to be caught so that some high profile attorney can get it out in the open. He's known nationally now and had a stage to present his evidence but in the end he decided to kill himself. If he truly did have some damaging info him killing himself was the worst thing he could have possibly done at that point.

Does CA still have the death penalty?

Quote from Danman114 : Does CA still have the death penalty?

To my knowledge yes although it raaaaarely gets used and is on a hiatus right now because of a problem with the lethal injection method.

Yep.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201...90260.html

The state has executed just 13 convicts, and its death row has ballooned to 726 inmates since 71 percent of the electorate voted to reinstate capital punishment in 1978. No executions have taken place since 2006 because of federal and state lawsuits filed by death row inmates.


Also in the article is this. How can keeping someone in prison for life be cheaper than killing them? If that's accurate all I can say is they're doing it wrong...

The Legislative Analyst has said ending the death penalty would save the state $130 million annually.

Quote from LivninSC : Even if they are I'm fine with that. The guy had an option to come out, hell that on top of his MANY other options to turn himself in and not shoot any more cops or harm any more civilians.

There was a rumor/report at one point that said someone had tried to exit the cabin but was forced back inside. I don't know the validity of that but I heard it stated multiple times.

He was definitely off in the head, no excuse for what he did. I was hoping that he was going to turn himself in to a news agency or something; since he obviously thought the cops were going to kill him. Well, they essentially did by purposely setting the place on fire.

Quote from highfloydelity : There was a rumor/report at one point that said someone had tried to exit the cabin but was forced back inside. I don't know the validity of that but I heard it stated multiple times.

Hard to say what "force" was used when dealing with adjectives a news company will use. Perhaps it was just the fact he was surrounded that caused him to retreat back into the house rather then some explicit force used.

Quote from Danman114 : The idea that the cops have incendiary grenades is pretty messed up (even if they have other uses)

Those things have been around for years.....

Quote from nobama : Those things have been around for years.....

Still pretty messed up that they would use them to start a fire.

Quote from Danman114 : Still pretty messed up that they would use them to start a fire.

Tear gas grenades are almost all pyrotechnic in operation. The ones that aren't are all but ineffective in comparison. I'm guessing the reference to "burners" is to those types of devices being deployed. Using that type of grenade on a wood cabin was pretty dangerous, but compared to trading rifle shots with a heavily armed individual, I think it's the lesser of two evils.

Dorner could have come out before the fire took hold. He obviously made the choice that he wasn't going to be taken alive, and I'm guessing that the theory he capped himself is correct..

Quote from highfloydelity : There was a rumor/report at one point that said someone had tried to exit the cabin but was forced back inside. I don't know the validity of that but I heard it stated multiple times.

Quote from paperboy05 : Hard to say what "force" was used when dealing with adjectives a news company will use. Perhaps it was just the fact he was surrounded that caused him to retreat back into the house rather then some explicit force used.

Reporters "opinions" of what happened during incidents like this, are notoriously incorrect.

Perhaps he tried to exit armed, and was "forced back in" by gunfire. There was a dead sheriff's deputy laying there Dorner had just killed, along with wounding another, and his other victims. If he didn't try to come out clearly surrendering, no one in their right mind wouldn't have shot at him.

Quote from LivninSC : Even if they are I'm fine with that. The guy had an option to come out, hell that on top of his MANY other options to turn himself in and not shoot any more cops or harm any more civilians. This guy clearly knew how to defend himself. I'd much rather no more people be hurt and while that includes him at the same time he chose to barricade himself inside the house and again chose to not come out. The guy was clearly a little bit wrong in the head. If he supposedly had all these things to say about the LAPD and went to such extreme measures to make them known why in the heck would he just kill himself? Because he thought the cops would have killed him if he walked out? Even if they did the end result is the same as it is now, actually what he did gives less credence to his claim that he has this info that we must all know. If I was a sane person and had all the info in his situation I would have actually wanted to be caught so that some high profile attorney can get it out in the open. He's known nationally now and had a stage to present his evidence but in the end he decided to kill himself. If he truly did have some damaging info him killing himself was the worst thing he could have possibly done at that point.

Unless he's convinced that the cops are corrupt and he will never get a fair hearing.

Which is not that farfetched. Ever see "An Innocent Man"? Granted, that was about the Long Beach PD, but LA has a similar rep.

Quote from 124nic8 : Unless he's convinced that the cops are corrupt and he will never get a fair hearing. Which is not that farfetched. Ever see "An Innocent Man"? Granted, that was about the Long Beach PD, but LA has a similar rep.

Do you realize that "An Innocent Man" was fiction - a movie - not real - a fantasy?

You disparage the entire Long Beach PD and LAPD based on a fictional movie?

Do you base all of your opinions on fiction, fantasies and movies? Explains a lot.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_I...%28film%29

Quote from Elmer : Reporters "opinions" of what happened during incidents like this, are notoriously incorrect. Perhaps he tried to exit armed, and was "forced back in" by gunfire. There was a dead sheriff's deputy laying there Dorner had just killed, along with wounding another, and his other victims. If he didn't try to come out clearly surrendering, no one in their right mind wouldn't have shot at him.

I do wonder about that.

If he did attempt to come out (unarmed) would they have shot him? Possible either way. Police could say he was armed and shot him, or they could have let him surrender.

The way they shot up that pickup (with the 2 ladies) + dead deputy, makes me think they (police) would be heavy on the trigger.

He was never going to be captured alive. Before he killed anyone, he decided to commit suicide. At that point, nobody and nothing mattered. He was a dead man walking.

Torching the cabin seems like a reasonable option as the officers already suffered a fatality and was a risk to everyone on the scene and an obvious threat.

That said... I doubt that he would have lived to see a court even if he surrendered. He would likely have been shot, or beat to death. There are reasons why the police wanted the helicopters further away other than officer safety.