Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop/Dorner thread

Quote from Dr. J : I understand that, but that doesn't call for shooting up every blue/grey truck in CA. Could it be that they are afraid of all the dirt he (apparently) has on a number of officers?

Did you read the whole thing? The guy has many paragraphs of, "If you are [this].... then you are high value target." I can understand the jumpiness of the LAPD. It doesn't excuse it, but I can certainly put myself in their shoes.

The bigger problem that isn't even being addressed is the corruption. Just like many of the mass killers in history, there are YEARS of (perceived/real/misdirected) abuse that they feel. Then we as a society simply say they were mentally ill. Why is that? What is it that makes us feel ok with making/thinking ourselves better than someone else?

Quote from LivninSC : Maybe it's just me but no matter how much dirt I had, no matter how innocent I was, and no matter how unfair my firing was I would NEVER shoot an innocent to try and make my point. Regardless of what he knows this guy is a piece of shit and lost any and all credibility with me.

I agree.

The LAPD could defuse this whole thing though...

Quote from LivninSC : Maybe it's just me but no matter how much dirt I had, no matter how innocent I was, and no matter how unfair my firing was I would NEVER shoot an innocent to try and make my point. Regardless of what he knows this guy is a piece of shit and lost any and all credibility with me.

please point out the post where I said shooting random people or cops was OK.

I don't care who he threatens (and yes I read the relevant parts in the PDF), the cops shooting up random vehicles is inexcusable.

How many bullets did they put into that truck before they realized it wasn't the right person?

Maybe the crazy guy was right about his complaints about the LAPD...

Quote from Lilian : How many bullets did they put into that truck before they realized it wasn't the right person? Maybe the crazy guy was right about his complaints about the LAPD...

Not sure. Here's a picture of the investigators marking the bullet holes/evidence.



Also, AFAIK, this wasn't the LAPD but the Torrance PD.

Quote from riznick : The police have proven to be a bigger threat than the suspect.

Very true.

If you are a cop or a judge who has ever put anyone in jail, you need to be on your toes 100% of the time. There is no justification for police shooting at anyone vaguely matching the description. Inexcusable.

Quote from highfloydelity : Not sure. Here's a picture of the investigators marking the bullet holes/evidence. Also, AFAIK, this wasn't the LAPD but the Torrance PD.

46 bullet holes and they aren't even finished counting. Ready, fire, reload, fire, reload, fire, aim! That is insane!

And the occupants of the truck survived? That is a miracle!

EDIT: I find the "crimestopper" bumper sticker on the back of the cruiser in the photo incredibly ironic.

Quote from BigBananaMess : 46 bullet holes and they aren't even finished counting. Ready, fire, reload, fire, reload, fire, aim! That is insane! And the occupants of the truck survived? That is a miracle! EDIT: I find the "crimestopper" bumper sticker on the back of the cruiser in the photo incredibly ironic.

but but but the crazy guy threatened the police!

fark this

if the cops can't distinguish 2 old asian ladies delivering newspapers from a burly black dude with the vendetta......

Quote from Dr. J : please point out the post where I said shooting random people or cops was OK. I don't care who he threatens (and yes I read the relevant parts in the PDF), the cops shooting up random vehicles is inexcusable.

Please point out the post where I said that you said shooting random people or cops was OK.

Quote from Dr. J : but but but the crazy guy threatened the police! fark this if the cops can't distinguish 2 old asian ladies delivering newspapers from a burly black dude with the vendetta......

Some of the bullet holes in the photo are a lot smaller than the others.

Ready, fire, reload, fire, pull your backup gun, fire, aim.

Absolutely crazy that they emptied their duty weapons, spare mags, and likely backup weapon before identifying the vehicle occupants.

Quote from BigBananaMess : Some of the bullet holes in the photo are a lot smaller than the others. Ready, fire, reload, fire, pull your backup gun, fire, aim. Absolutely crazy that they emptied their duty weapons, spare mags, and likely backup weapon before identifying the vehicle occupants.

I saw in another picture what looked to be shotgun shell casings on the ground by the drivers side door. I don't know what they use in their shotguns but I highly doubt they were using slugs. That may be a reason for so many bullet holes.

Quote from LivninSC : Maybe it's just me but no matter how much dirt I had, no matter how innocent I was, and no matter how unfair my firing was I would NEVER shoot an innocent to try and make my point. Regardless of what he knows this guy is a piece of shit and lost any and all credibility with me.

I think that might be the whole point of his revenge, he knows that if he tells anyone, no one will care, look at why he was fired, and why all his appeals failed, because cops don't snitch on cops, which is why Beck isn't willing to "Clear his name" or mention anything that internal affairs would probably be apart of.......so the excops only logical thing he could think of for these cops to get the message is to kill and he won't stop until they admit it....obviously cops will never admit anything because that would just invoke riots...like

anyways, this guy just needs to be caught already

also here is the ladies names that were shot

Emma Hernandez, 71, was delivering the Los Angeles Times with her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47, in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue in Torrance on Thursday morning when Los Angeles police officers apparently mistook their blue Toyota Tacoma for a truck belonging to Christopher Dorner, the 33-year-old fugitive suspected of killing three people and injuring two others.

Hernandez, who attorney Glen T. Jonas said was shot twice in the back, was in stable condition late Thursday. Carranza received stitches on her finger.

“One would expect the city would acknowledge responsibility and handle the situation appropriately,” he said. “And if they don’t, we’ll deal with it.”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/l...oting.html

It's amazing how 1 guy is able to stir all of this shit up. Police are broken

Quote from Dr. J : guilty until proven innocent - look a blue truck! shoot it up! btw didn't they find the guy's truck all burnt out somewhere?

His truck was found yesterday afternoon. This shooting occured in the early morning.

This will ne interesting when the whole story comes out.

Quote from LivninSC : This guy has killed 3 people. One of which was a police officer and he shot two other offiders. He's also said that he's going to bring "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" to police officers and their families. He has also said his attacks on police and their families are "a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name."

How much of that is fact and how much is conjecture?

The LA Times indicated the facebook manifesto was believed to be connected to Christopher Dorner or similar doublespeak.

Is there hard evidence linking him to the shootings?

Maybe the guy is psycho?
OR...
Maybe he has the goods on LAPD and they desperately want him silenced? To the point that they would falsify evidence and portray the guy as a dangerous psycho on the loose.