The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

Quote from roughnready : That's not really the issue. Voter suppression is voter suppression whenever it happens. There is a long and storied history of it happening in our republic. Voter fraud, on the other hand, not so much.

Of course it is the issue. If such suppression actually occurred among millions of people in Indiana, they would have proven it in a court of law.

Instead, they lied and spewed BS. The judge in Crawford v Marion County called them out on it and ruled for the state and for voter ID, because you can't spew lies in a court of law like you can on the internet.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/...tion-19000

In an exclusive report, Barry Horstman wrote in the Cincinnati Enquirer that “more than two dozen subpoenas” have been issued in Hamilton County, which includes the city of Cincinnati, all having to do with election fraud allegedly committed by voters and poll workers alike. The Enquirer story said:

By a unanimous vote, the four-member county Board of Elections decided Tuesday to issue 28 subpoenas and scheduled two hearings later this month at which voters will be given a final opportunity to provide explanations before the cases are turned over to prosecutors for possible criminal charges. Pending further investigation, several other subpoenas may be issued later.

Some of the cases involve attempted double-voting in Walnut Hills, Westwood, Silverton and elsewhere. One deals with a Florida resident who attempted to use her old Greater Cincinnati address to vote in Hamilton County last November. And in another episode, someone who voted at an Avondale polling place on Election Day claimed to be a woman who already had cast an absentee ballot.

“She did not attempt to vote twice,” elections board chairman Tim Burke told the Enquirer. “Someone apparently voted in her name.”

Another unusual circumstance involved the case of a 75-year-old woman who died before her absentee ballot was even mailed out to her.

“There’s no way this person voted that ballot,” elections board member Alex Triantafilou told the Enquirer. “On its face, it looks like the husband voted for the deceased wife.”

Quote from 124nic8 : Is there even any evidence that this woman misrepresented who she was when she voted in person? The OP cite does not say.

Yep.


http://news.cincinnati.com/articl...ck_check=1

One of the more intriguing Hamilton County cases also is arguably the most troubling, because it involves a longtime poll worker from Madisonville who apparently voted twice and may have had a hand in falsifying four other votes.

The girl told officials that her grandmother had filled out an absentee ballot request in her name and then voted it, “because she didn’t think I would go do it.” The granddaughter, however, cast a provisional ballot – used when there are questions over a voter’s eligibility – on Election Day, which caught officials’ attention because two votes in her name had been cast, one of which was later disqualified.

The woman’s questionable actions did not end there. Officials found that not only had the granddaughter’s absentee ballot been sent to her grandmother’s Whetsel Avenue address, but that three other absentee requests – in the names of men – also originated from the same address.




The law does not permit one to go vote on behalf of one's granddaughter.

Quote from Krazen1211 : Of course it is the issue. If such suppression actually occurred among millions of people in Indiana, they would have proven it in a court of law.

Voter suppression mostly takes on a passive form -- the voter does not show up. In voter fraud, on the other hand, there is always an affirmative act to deceive, something the defendants in the case that you cited were not able to show a single instance of.

Quote : Instead, they lied and spewed BS. The judge in Crawford v Marion County called them out on it and ruled for the state and for voter ID, because you can't spew lies in a court of law like you can on the internet.

The case went all the way to the Surpreme Court where it was decided by a split bench. I don't think "spewing lies" is the usual standard for the Court when it decides to accept a case.

Quote from roughnready : Voter suppression mostly takes on a passive form -- the voter does not show up. In voter fraud, on the other hand, there is always an affirmative act to deceive, something the defendants in the case that you cited were not able to show a single instance of. The case went all the way to the Surpreme Court where it was decided by a split bench. I don't think "spewing lies" is the usual standard for the Court when it decides to accept a case.

Obviously you didn't read the district court case of Crawford v Marion County.

Not a single instance of 'not showing up' was established. Some claimed that they would not be able to vote. The judge noted that they were liars.

Quote from Krazen1211 : http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/...tion-19000 In an exclusive report, Barry Horstman wrote in the Cincinnati Enquirer that “more than two dozen subpoenas” have been issued in Hamilton County, which includes the city of Cincinnati, all having to do with election fraud allegedly committed by voters and poll workers alike. The Enquirer story said: By a unanimous vote, the four-member county Board of Elections decided Tuesday to issue 28 subpoenas and scheduled two hearings later this month at which voters will be given a final opportunity to provide explanations before the cases are turned over to prosecutors for possible criminal charges. Pending further investigation, several other subpoenas may be issued later. Some of the cases involve attempted double-voting in Walnut Hills, Westwood, Silverton and elsewhere. One deals with a Florida resident who attempted to use her old Greater Cincinnati address to vote in Hamilton County last November. And in another episode, someone who voted at an Avondale polling place on Election Day claimed to be a woman who already had cast an absentee ballot. “She did not attempt to vote twice,” elections board chairman Tim Burke told the Enquirer. “Someone apparently voted in her name.” Another unusual circumstance involved the case of a 75-year-old woman who died before her absentee ballot was even mailed out to her. “There’s no way this person voted that ballot,” elections board member Alex Triantafilou told the Enquirer. “On its face, it looks like the husband voted for the deceased wife.” Yep. http://news.cincinnati.com/articl...ck_check=1 One of the more intriguing Hamilton County cases also is arguably the most troubling, because it involves a longtime poll worker from Madisonville who apparently voted twice and may have had a hand in falsifying four other votes. The girl told officials that her grandmother had filled out an absentee ballot request in her name and then voted it, “because she didn’t think I would go do it.” The granddaughter, however, cast a provisional ballot – used when there are questions over a voter’s eligibility – on Election Day, which caught officials’ attention because two votes in her name had been cast, one of which was later disqualified. The woman’s questionable actions did not end there. Officials found that not only had the granddaughter’s absentee ballot been sent to her grandmother’s Whetsel Avenue address, but that three other absentee requests – in the names of men – also originated from the same address. The law does not permit one to go vote on behalf of one's granddaughter.

Could you point out the parts which are evidence of voter impersonation fraud (not absentee voter fraud)?

ktnx.

Quote from Krazen1211 : Obviously you didn't read the district court case of Crawford v Marion County. Not a single instance of 'not showing up' was established. Some claimed that they would not be able to vote. The judge noted that they were liars.

Krazen, how would I prove that you didn't mow the lawn this morning when you never showed up in court to testify to that fact?

Quote from roughnready : Krazen, how would I prove that you didn't mow the lawn this morning when you never showed up in court to testify to that fact?

If you claim there are tens of thousands of such people in the state in Indiana, like the Indiana Democratic party did, and you can't find a single one and produce him in court, the judge is going to be inclined to think that you are making crap up.

Of course, that is precisely what the Indiana Democratic party did. They found 12 named individuals for which they claimed suppression under the law. Unfortunately, all 12 of them were able to vote.

Quote from 124nic8 : Could you point out the parts which are evidence of voter impersonation fraud (not absentee voter fraud)? ktnx.

What?

When you sign a ballot claiming you are someone, and you are not that someone, that is voter impersonation.

I like this one: Roxanne Rubin, Nevada Republican, Accepts Plea Deal After Committing Voter Fraud [huffingtonpost.com]

The woman get arrested for voter fraud while trying to show how easy it is to commit said fraud.

Quote from highfloydelity : I like this one: Roxanne Rubin, Nevada Republican, Accepts Plea Deal After Committing Voter Fraud [huffingtonpost.com] The woman get arrested for voter fraud while trying to show how easy it is to commit said fraud.

Of course its easy.

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/election...dgment.pdf

The State has also produced evidence of published books and media reports
discussing allegations and instances of in-person voter fraud in several other states. See
Larry J. Sabato & Glenn R. Simpson, Dirty Little Secrets 292 (1996) (noting that
documentation of in-person voter fraud often occurs only when a legitimate voter at the
polls hears a fraudulent voter trying to use her name, as happened to a woman in
California in 1994); John Fund, Stealing Elections 64 (2004) (noting in the St. Louis
fourteen dead people “voted” in the 2000; State’s Ex. 2, p. 23 (describing recent U.S.
Department of Justice investigations into election fraud, which, as of August 2005, had
resulted in 52 convictions); State’s Ex. 3, pp. 4-5, 19 (court findings that in the State of
Washington’s 2004 gubernatorial elections more than 1,600 fraudulently cast ballots,
including 19 ballots cast by dead voters, six double votes, and 77 votes unaccounted for
on the registration rolls); State’s Ex. 4, pp. 2-4 (joint task force findings describing
instances in the 2004 elections in Wisconsin where individuals voted twice by using fake
names and addresses and citizens who told investigators that they did not vote, even
though the report showed that someone voted in their names); State’s Ex. 6, pp. 42-43 and

State’s Ex. 7, pp. 3-6 (describing an investigation by the Missouri Secretary of State after
the 2000 elections of two of counties which revealed over 1,000 fraudulent ballots,
including at least 68 multiple votes, 14 dead person votes, and 79 vacant-lot voters, with
another 200 sites requesting further review); State’s Ex. 10, pp. 1-2 (newspaper reports
that dozens, possibly hundreds, of people who lived outside the city limits illegally cast
votes at the polls in Miami’s mayoral elections in 1997); State’s Ex. 11, p. 1-2 (Johns
Hopkins University study which found that in Maryland at least 63 votes were cast in the
name of deceased individuals between the 1980’s and 2004). The State has produced
newspaper reports recounting that in recent elections votes were cast in the names of dead
people in Georgia, Illinois, and Pennsylvania. See State’s Exs. 12-14, 18. The report
from the Commission on Federal Election Reform (known as the Baker-Carter
Commission) recently concluded that “there is no doubt that [in-person voter fraud]
occurs.”

Quote from Krazen1211 : What? When you sign a ballot claiming you are someone, and you are not that someone, that is voter impersonation.

Sure. But where in your cites does it say that happened?

I only see allegations of absentee voter fraud.

Quote from 124nic8 : Sure. But where in your cites does it say that happened? I only see allegations of absentee voter fraud.

Yes, this woman engaged in both types of fraud. First, absentee voter fraud by voting twice, second, voter impersonation fraud by voting on behalf of another.

This here is another instance of voter impersonation.



The woman died Oct. 1, but the elections board on Oct. 11 received a signed absentee ballot in her name dated Sept. 29.

What makes that timetable impossible – and legally problematic – is that her ballot was among roughly 60,000 absentee ballots countywide that were not mailed to voters until Oct. 5.

“There’s no way this person voted that ballot,” said elections board member Alex Triantafilou. “On its face, it looks like the husband voted for the deceased wife.” The husband also cast an absentee ballot, in an envelope also signed and dated Sept. 29.

Quote from Krazen1211 : The bulk of voter ID laws have been passed several months before a major election. The left wing spent those several months whining like babies, and then turned around and claimed it was 'right before a major election'.

Several months doesn't give all voters enough amount of time to make sure people are properly notified and given a chance to ensure the steps are taken to be able to vote.

They need to act NOW and include proper measures to ensure people aren't disenfranchised. When you're dealing with a problem that is microscopic (at best), you better be damn sure people who are eligible to vote are able to vote. Let the cure fit the disease. You don't cut someone's arm off over a hang nail.

But the right wing doesn't care, so long as those who are being disenfranchised are mostly democratic voters. But the funny thing is, despite the shenannigans, you guys STILL got your asses handed to you in the election.

Quote from Krazen1211 : Of course its easy.

If it was so easy she wouldn't have been caught.

Quote from politicaljunkie : Several months doesn't give all voters enough amount of time to make sure people are properly notified and given a chance to ensure the steps are taken to be able to vote. They need to act NOW and include proper measures to ensure people aren't disenfranchised. When you're dealing with a problem that is microscopic (at best), you better be damn sure people who are eligible to vote are able to vote. Let the cure fit the disease. You don't cut someone's arm off over a hang nail. But the right wing doesn't care, so long as those who are being disenfranchised are mostly democratic voters. But the funny thing is, despite the shenannigans, you guys STILL got your asses handed to you in the election.

That's a funny bit of mythology.

Penndot issued mailers, flyers, TV advertisements and waivers to ensure that people could get ID. The main plaintiff leftwinger in the case screeched for months about being unable to get an ID before obtaining one in about 12 hours after actually trying to do so.

It's 4 years before November 2016 and the leftwingers are still screaming like toddlers.


Want another example? Nikki Haley signed South Carolina's voter ID law in May 2011. For 1.5 years, the left wing screamed. Nikki Haley volunteered free transportation to anyone in South Carolina who requested it. Less than 30 people asked. Voter ID went into effect this January and leftwingers are still screaming like toddlers.



Of course, that's the way liberals are. Screech about 'disenfranchisement' yet unable to find a shred of proof of it actually occurring. And Godzilla is secretly lurking in the Hudson river.