The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

Quote from 124nic8 : There's already a nationwide ID for workers. Social Security number.

I meant one that works.

Quote from 124nic8 : This ^ misrepresents the situation. There are several checks on your identity when you vote. For one, you have to know the name and address of a registered voter.

no you need the name. I've not once gave my address in 15 years..

Quote : For another, you have to know that they have not already voted. If you violated either of these requirements, you are subject to arrest and conviction.

arrest and conviction by whom?? LOL. There aren't on duty police officers at polling areas watching for people trying to use a fake name. It isn't even illegal to give them an incorrect name.. it's illegal to vote illegally (aka to finish act).

Quote : All of these factors greatly discourage voter impersonation fraud.

What check again? The can't vote for someone that already voted that day? Or do you mean the fact that they ask your name and cross it off on a list?

[quote]OTOH, fake IDs are not very hard to get....if you know the other things listed above.

thus why they have a scan strip on the back.. it's the same strip they use to verify validity in alcohol distributors.

Quote : Those things which require IDs are not Constitutional rights.

The constitution mentions it several times.. but there is no "right to vote" amendment. Although there is one that guarantees the right to bear arms. So can one buy a gun w/o photo ID. Maybe just a name and address, I'd even throw in SS#?

Quote : Amazing how you've managed to grasp these misconceptions but failed to understand the counter arguments. Spoon fed: there is a segment of the population for which acquiring the required photo ID places an undue burden, effectively discouraging them from voting. When that benefits one Party over another, the motive is highly suspect in the absence of proof of any significant voter impersonation fraud.

As it has been spoon fed in my state.. the burden is ... going to a DMV? By that argument voting should come to you.. or grocery stores should guarantee delivery.. b/c we can't survive without food.

Spoon Fed: the counter argument is so paper thin and weak.. that it's basically nonexistent. If you're poor and do not have the means to live.. The government will not magically show up at your door raining food and clothing down on upon you.. you have to get off your a$$ and apply (oh and they want verification of identity also??)

Quote from DJPlayer : I'm not even sure what the counter argument to Photo ID is..

After all of the various threads and endless discussion of the subject, for which you've taken an active part, i'm actually stunned that you can actually type such a statement. Willful ignorance is a powerful drug.

Quote from DJPlayer : no you need the name. I've not once gave my address in 15 years..

They always ask for my address. You have to at least know in which district that name is registered.

Quote : arrest and conviction by whom?? LOL. There aren't on duty police officers at polling areas watching for people trying to use a fake name. It isn't even illegal to give them an incorrect name.. it's illegal to vote illegally (aka to finish act).

Still doesn't mean you aren't subject to arrest and conviction if the verification process does not work. However, I would favor video monitoring of voters to further discourage voter impersonation.

Quote : What check again? The can't vote for someone that already voted that day? Or do you mean the fact that they ask your name and cross it off on a list?

Both. If they have video monitoring, they can find out who voted before you.

Quote : OTOH, fake IDs are not very hard to get....if you know the other things listed above. thus why they have a scan strip on the back.. it's the same strip they use to verify validity in alcohol distributors.

And you think a mag strip is hard to fake?

Quote : The constitution mentions it several times.. but there is no "right to vote" amendment.

And yet the courts have repeatedly ruled that undue burdens cannot be applied to voting.

Quote : Although there is one that guarantees the right to bear arms. So can one buy a gun w/o photo ID. Maybe just a name and address, I'd even throw in SS#?

Except there are practical reasons for not allowing that right unfettered, as has been repeatedly ruled by the courts. None for placing undue burdens on voting rights.

Quote : As it has been spoon fed in my state.. the burden is ... going to a DMV? By that argument voting should come to you.. or grocery stores should guarantee delivery.. b/c we can't survive without food.

Other states have heavier burdens. Enough to discourage certain voters.

Quote : Spoon Fed: the counter argument is so paper thin and weak.. that it's basically nonexistent. If you're poor and do not have the means to live.. The government will not magically show up at your door raining food and clothing down on upon you.. you have to get off your a$$ and apply (oh and they want verification of identity also??)

No, you just want to ignore the burden cause it serves your agenda.

Starvation is a much more powerful motivator. Believe it or not, there are people who would be discouraged from voting that are not wards of the state. And if they already have ID for government services, they won't be burdened at all, right? As long as the voterID requirements are not more stringent.....

Quote from Deusxmachina : I meant one that works.

You mean one that's not subject to willful ignorance by employers who pay under the table? Good luck with that.

Quote from politicaljunkie : After all of the various threads and endless discussion of the subject, for which you've taken an active part, i'm actually stunned that you can actually type such a statement. Willful ignorance is a powerful drug.

actually in my state the counter argument was clearly defined, which I stated. Apparently the trip to the DMV is a "hardship". But in my state is was absolutely amusing, every complaint was met with "fine we'll fix that". They ran out of valid complaints and where left with.. it's to difficult to make a trip to the DMV. People were basically laughing when it finally got to this point.. it was publicly pointed out that if they offered to drive individuals homes, the Liberal groups would be complaining about needing to call and schedule an appointment, and having to be home a certain time of the day waiting.

Quote from DJPlayer : actually in my state the counter argument was clearly defined, which I stated. Apparently the trip to the DMV is a "hardship". But in my state is was absolutely amusing, every complaint was met with "fine we'll fix that". They ran out of valid complaints and where left with.. it's to difficult to make a trip to the DMV. People were basically laughing when it finally got to this point.. it was publicly pointed out that if they offered to drive individuals homes, the Liberal groups would be complaining about needing to call and schedule an appointment, and having to be home a certain time of the day waiting.

Strawman characterizations like this ^ are easy to invent about your ideological opponent.

Any additional burden should be justified by proof that there is a problem which needs to be addressed. Zero tolerance is the argument often put forward, but like your unsubstantiated contention above, that is a laughable standard.

If you're going to promote a standard which favors one Party over another, you need proof there is a significant problem with the current system.

Quote from 124nic8 : Strawman characterizations like this ^ are easy to invent about your ideological opponent. Any additional burden should be justified by proof that there is a problem which needs to be addressed. Zero tolerance is the argument often put forward, but like your unsubstantiated contention above, that is a laughable standard. If you're going to promote a standard which favors one Party over another, you need proof there is a significant problem with the current system.

I gave an obvious example previously.. If one leave's a basket outside outside for Halloween that says "Take one" it is virtually impossible to prove who takes one and who takes more. i.e. that current system is so pathetically open and unregulated that it's virtually impossible to catch people.

just an example that I know off the top of my head, ACORN voter fraud:

State	Year	Details
AR	1998	A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.
CO	2005	Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
	2004	An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.
CT	2008	The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.
FL	2009	In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person.
	2008	Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.
	2004	A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.
IN	2008	Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.
MI	2008	Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.
MI	2008	The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
MO	2008	Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.
MO	2007	Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
MO	2006	Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
MO	2003	Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.
MN	2004	During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.
NC	2008	County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.
NC	2004	North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.
NM	2008	Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.
NM	2005	Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
NM	2004	An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.
NV	2009	Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law.
NV	2008	Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.
OH	2008	ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.
OH	2007	A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
OH	2004	A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.
PA	2009	Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.
PA	2008	State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.
PA	2008
PA	2004	Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.
TX	2008	In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.
TX	2008	ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.
VA	2005	In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.
VA	2005	In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."
WA	2007	Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.
WI	2008	At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.
WI	2004	The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.

Quote from DJPlayer : I gave an obvious example previously.. If one leave's a basket outside outside for Halloween that says "Take one" it is virtually impossible to prove who takes one and who takes more. i.e. that current system is so pathetically open and unregulated that it's virtually impossible to catch people. just an example that I know off the top of my head, ACORN voter fraud: State Year Details AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards. CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations. 2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times. CT 2008 The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud. FL 2009 In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person. 2008 Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties. 2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations. IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant. MI 2008 Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation. MI 2008 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents. MO 2008 Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information. MO 2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election. MO 2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information. MO 2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally. MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed. NC 2008 County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth. NC 2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards. NM 2008 Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information. NM 2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.” NM 2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico. NV 2009 Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law. NV 2008 Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys. OH 2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards. OH 2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties. OH 2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group. PA 2009 Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system. PA 2008 State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud. PA 2008 PA 2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice. TX 2008 In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information. TX 2008 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect. VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law. VA 2005 In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia." WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive. WI 2008 At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies. WI 2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.

But voter fraud isn't relevant. Doh.

Quote from 124nic8 : Because you don't need a picture ID to register? https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=...A8drINAQjA Articles about voter fraud from 1970 are ancient history and not necessarily still relevant.

You don't in New York State.

Quote from DJPlayer : I gave an obvious example previously.. If one leave's a basket outside outside for Halloween that says "Take one" it is virtually impossible to prove who takes one and who takes more. i.e. that current system is so pathetically open and unregulated that it's virtually impossible to catch people. just an example that I know off the top of my head, ACORN voter fraud:

Looks like those are voter registration fraud. If I'm mistaken, could you point out the ones which are voter impersonation fraud? You know, the ones which voterID is supposed to fix.... ktnx.

Quote from Krazen1211 : You don't in New York State.

That can be fixed w/o voterID.

IINM, NY has other methods of verifying eligibility for registration.

Quote from 124nic8 : Looks like those are voter registration fraud. If I'm mistaken, could you point out the ones which are voter impersonation fraud? You know, the ones which voterID is supposed to fix.... ktnx. That can be fixed w/o voterID. IINM, NY has other methods of verifying eligibility for registration.

But you are mistaken, which is why you linked to another state in the first place after not reading the entire article about those cheating Democrats.


And of course, given your party's cheating, its not surprising to see the goalposts move again. States have taken on the responsibility of preventing your party's cheaters from cheating as best as they can.

Quote from DJPlayer : I gave an obvious example previously.. If one leave's a basket outside outside for Halloween that says "Take one" it is virtually impossible to prove who takes one and who takes more. i.e. that current system is so pathetically open and unregulated that it's virtually impossible to catch people. just an example that I know off the top of my head, ACORN voter fraud: State Year Details AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards. CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations. 2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times. CT 2008 The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud. FL 2009 In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person. 2008 Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties. 2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations. IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant. MI 2008 Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation. MI 2008 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents. MO 2008 Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information. MO 2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election. MO 2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information. MO 2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally. MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed. NC 2008 County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth. NC 2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards. NM 2008 Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information. NM 2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.” NM 2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico. NV 2009 Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law. NV 2008 Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys. OH 2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards. OH 2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties. OH 2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group. PA 2009 Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system. PA 2008 State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud. PA 2008 PA 2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice. TX 2008 In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information. TX 2008 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect. VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law. VA 2005 In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia." WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive. WI 2008 At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies. WI 2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.

Wow, that's a lot of voter "fraud" registration that has nothing to do with voter ID laws. Can you keep the argument to actual voter ID issues? You know, where people vote pretending to be somebody else.

Quote from ASG : Wow, that's a lot of voter "fraud" registration that has nothing to do with voter ID laws. Can you keep the argument to actual voter ID issues? You know, where people vote pretending to be somebody else.

Is it really so hard to fathom that one could lead to the other? I mean in these particular cases if they weren't caught wouldn't the likely next stop be a fraudulent vote of some sort in atleast some of the cases?

Quote from 124nic8 : Looks like those are voter registration fraud. If I'm mistaken, could you point out the ones which are voter impersonation fraud? You know, the ones which voterID is supposed to fix.... ktnx.

again.. I could go back to the argument of the whole Halloween candy basket.. Or i'll simplify this even further. I'll say my name is Bob Jones. You must take my word for it. But, you have 10 seconds to prove to me wrong. Then you will never see me again.

The system is so lose and carefree, it's virtually impossible to have impersonation instances. Because they're virtually impossible to catch.

I could on and on with similar scenarios.. say someone borrows my credit card (after all we'll only talking about a single case of impersonating). If it goes unnoticed by the consumer and it's a small charge in the same city you live in.. how often does your credit card company find it for you.

You mentioned video cameras.. something schools have.. So let's say someone else picks my child up from school (even for me). Brings my child to me. How often without a complain does the school realize later that someone unauthorized took their child? Obviously those actions are again driven by individuals. Strict regulations because people want their children safe. And, yes some schools do require valid photo ID to pick up a child. Is that discrimination?

Quote from Krazen1211 : But you are mistaken, which is why you linked to another state in the first place after not reading the entire article about those cheating Democrats.

Wrong. The list is entirely voter registration fraud instances.

I wonder how they were caught, w/o voterID....

Quote : And of course, given your party's cheating, its not surprising to see the goalposts move again. States have taken on the responsibility of preventing your party's cheaters from cheating as best as they can.

Quit pretending like Dems are the only ones who cheat. There have been numerous instances of Republicans cheating, only they prefer effective methods such as voter suppression, vote counting fraud, and voter roll scrubbing, etc. Not the ineffective and highly risky (and phantom) voter impersonation fraud.