PRICE DROP: 2013 Nissan Leaf Electric 5-Seat Car Now As Low As $18800 CA, $15800 CA+SJV, $17300 IL, $16300 GA, $15300 CO, $13800 WV and Others // $12 to fill "tank"

thanks - that was a great idea.
I ended up buying one at another dealer this past week
paid $275 mo/ including the home chargin unit installed and $500 down- ALL other charges - tax , MV, etc included the $275 -- 3yrs 12k mi/yr

I fiugure the charger is about 1,000 - $1,300- so assuming $1,300 for 36 mo = $36mo. Thus the lease without the charger is $240/mo w/$500 down
I figure the base deal of $200/mo w/$2k + Tax, Title, MV = $200/mo + about $4,500 (+/- $500) up front.
Thus converting that to $500 upfront, and spreading the remaining $4,000 over 36 mo = an add'l $111/mo = i.e. $311/mo vs. $245

Quote from cgott42 : thanks - that was a great idea. I ended up buying one at another dealer this past week paid $275 mo/ including the home chargin unit installed and $500 down- ALL other charges - tax , MV, etc included the $275 -- 3yrs 12k mi/yr I fiugure the charger is about 1,000 - $1,300- so assuming $1,300 for 36 mo = $36mo. Thus the lease without the charger is $240/mo w/$500 down I figure the base deal of $200/mo w/$2k + Tax, Title, MV = $200/mo + about $4,500 (+/- $500) up front. Thus converting that to $500 upfront, and spreading the remaining $4,000 over 36 mo = an add'l $111/mo = i.e. $311/mo vs. $245

On your lease agreement, it should say the sale price of the vechicle. Can you tell us what that figure is? And what is the Residual Value (also the same as purchase price at the end of agreement).

I was a little disappointed today as I'm still waiting for them to install the charging station , so today I had to charge in one near my office
(a) it cost $4/hr- I didn't charge full way but it cost me $10. For a full charge - it'd be ~6hrs and $24 just for a charge to make 80 mi - about 1 round trip commute to/from work -it costs about $12 in gas to do the same??? what am I missing??
(b) the time to charge fully is about 6 hrs - so no way of travelling outside of a 30-40 mi radius - even if I find a charging station - can't sit there and wait 6 hrs

In short - unless im missing something - charging stations are (a) way too expensive and (b) take way too long to use

Quote from cgott42 : I was a little disappointed today as I'm still waiting for them to install the charging station , so today I had to charge in one near my office (a) it cost $4/hr- I didn't charge full way but it cost me $10. For a full charge - it'd be ~6hrs and $24 just for a charge to make 80 mi - about 1 round trip commute to/from work -it costs about $12 in gas to do the same??? what am I missing?? (b) the time to charge fully is about 6 hrs - so no way of travelling outside of a 30-40 mi radius - even if I find a charging station - can't sit there and wait 6 hrs In short - unless im missing something - charging stations are (a) way too expensive and (b) take way too long to use

www.chargepoint.com

You can see the price of what they are charging per hour OR per KWH. Ideally, a free charger would be the best find. If you can't find a free charger, you'd want to look for something that is similar to what you are currently paying per/kw.

My normal electric rate is .13/kwh. In the Orlando area there are free chargers and then some that are owned by OUC that charge .14/kwh.

My Chevy Volt takes charges at 3.3KWH so a full charge takes almost 4 hours when it's totally depleted, and costs around $1.75 (13KW per full charge)

.49/kwh is too much. (Walgreens, Florida Mall, Pointe Orlando charge this price)
$4/hr is too much.
.49/kwh X 3.3KWH x 4hours = $6.50ish.

Quote from Jedi2155 : I have a Volt, and here's my electric bill in Southern California Edison. Still way cheaper than the $200/month on gas I spending on my old '03 Civic. http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/9056/capturevk.png ~$82/month for a family of 6.

Wow, you have good rates. (P.S. Your name is in the picture of your bill, if that matters to you.)

Electricity in CA and the Northeast would be a lot cheaper if we didn't have to subsidize the Red States, but of course, it's always up to the Blue States to make the Red States feel good about themselves.

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Quote from cgott42 : I was a little disappointed today as I'm still waiting for them to install the charging station , so today I had to charge in one near my office (a) it cost $4/hr- I didn't charge full way but it cost me $10. For a full charge - it'd be ~6hrs and $24 just for a charge to make 80 mi - about 1 round trip commute to/from work -it costs about $12 in gas to do the same??? what am I missing?? (b) the time to charge fully is about 6 hrs - so no way of travelling outside of a 30-40 mi radius - even if I find a charging station - can't sit there and wait 6 hrs In short - unless im missing something - charging stations are (a) way too expensive and (b) take way too long to use

Also another downer was that instead of 85 miles to a full charge - I'm getting about 70. I haven't done an exact test, but from what I've seen with highway driving and using raio and headlights - I only have about 70 mi available.

Quote from cgott42 : Also another downer was that instead of 85 miles to a full charge - I'm getting about 70. I haven't done an exact test, but from what I've seen with highway driving and using raio and headlights - I only have about 70 mi available.

BTW, On your lease agreement, it should say the sale price of the vechicle. Can you tell us what that figure is? And what is the Residual Value (also the same as purchase price at the end of agreement)?

Also, the range estimator will need to get use to your driving habbit to be more accurate. In the begining my neighbor Leaf indicated a lower mileage as well because it was probably parked at the dealer with people sitting in the car with it. But after a few weeks it was pretty accurate (according to him).

Says "agreed upon value of the vehicle = $28,375 + taxes,fees,... = $29,803
Residual Value = $14,612
btw- I asked him if the Residual Value is negotiable - i.e. if at the end of the lease it's worth much less (e.g. pricing of electric cars come down in price and/or battery's get larger - last longer - making this less attractive to buy at that price - and he said they won't seel it for less than that price as they just write it off as a loss - and it's worth more to them)


thanks ofr the info about the range estimator - today I started the car @80mi, drove ~52mi, and it said I had 15 (or 20 I forget) instead of 28.

Quote from cgott42 : I was a little disappointed today as I'm still waiting for them to install the charging station , so today I had to charge in one near my office (a) it cost $4/hr- I didn't charge full way but it cost me $10. For a full charge - it'd be ~6hrs and $24 just for a charge to make 80 mi - about 1 round trip commute to/from work -it costs about $12 in gas to do the same??? what am I missing?? (b) the time to charge fully is about 6 hrs - so no way of travelling outside of a 30-40 mi radius - even if I find a charging station - can't sit there and wait 6 hrs In short - unless im missing something - charging stations are (a) way too expensive and (b) take way too long to use

Quote from cgott42 : Also another downer was that instead of 85 miles to a full charge - I'm getting about 70. I haven't done an exact test, but from what I've seen with highway driving and using raio and headlights - I only have about 70 mi available.

The computer will learn your driving method and become more accurate it has a margin of safety built-in. You post is questionable; the car will not charge itself nor will a normal car fill itself with gasoline. It can be plugged into any 120v wall outlet for a top up. Did you get the 2013 model Leaf which has more range than the 2012? Does your car have the $1300 MSRP charging package which adds 3.5hr 220v charging and 30min 440v quick charging port? There is a 100% and 80% battery charge mode on the car is your's set to the 100% mode setting? I am also curious about how the lease financing numbers worked out for you please let us know. All these ev basics would have been presented many times to you by the dealer if you really own this car. Many Nissan dealers in my area offer free charging and most expensive stations are $2 an hour at 220v 30A.

charging stations www.chargepoint.com

interesting article about leaf range http://insideevs.com/real-world-t...eaf-range/

Best wishes,
Fredstone

I got the '13 model
I didn't get the 440v charging port - btw - does that only help in 440v stations - none by me?
Didn't know about the 100% vs 80% charge mode- thanks I'll look it up - dealer didn't mention that.
Financing - paid $600 up front, and got the home charging station included in the least @ $275/mo 36mo 12k mi/yr

re: charging stations- being that there aren't any 440v stations anywhere near me (NY) - it'd take about 6hours to charge - so they're of limited use - unless you have a Nissan Leaf dealer close to where you work - leave the car there, and go to work (assuming the dealer won't mind you taking the charging port for 6hrs). Other than the dealer- the ones closest to me are $4/hr, and even at $2hr = $12/day which is more expensive than gas.
Don't get me wrong - I like it (once I get my home charger- I can drive to/from work and not pay for gas - whcih was my hope) - just pointing out to others - that given the VERY limited # of 440v charging stations - you really can't expect to go outside of the 85mi range and fill up and go another 85mi - as it'd take 6 hours at each fill up (making the trip impractical for most).
For commuting, or local driving - where the range isn't an issue, and you have the luxury of another car - when you need to go outside the range - it's great.
It's basically - A way to save $ - for those who can afford the luxury to do so :-)
(and help lessen the dependency on foreign oil) -

Quote from cerroo : interesting article about leaf range http://insideevs.com/real-world-t...eaf-range/ Best wishes, Fredstone

thanks - nice read
exerpts from users' comments section
"I look at the Leaf as a 70-mile AER vehicle. There is no reason to “expect” to drive it the full state of charge of 100% down to turtle on every drive. You just don’t do that with gas cars and shouldn’t do that with EVs either. Drive with a comfortable reserve based on the technology in place and you just have to say that 70 miles is the maximum comfort range that I would use with a 2nd passenger and hilly terrain. A nice gentle 40mph cruise through the countryside might offer 85-90 miles of comfortable range while seeing the sights."


I think the crux/takeaway from Tony’s piece is that you are probably better off relying on the new epa-estimated range of 75 miles for the 2013 (a couple mile gain over the 2012′s 73 mile range), as opposed to banking on the blended 84 mile (100% charge),

I got from the article: "Results: We drove about 69.2 miles (111.4 km) indicated (the odometer seemed
surprisingly accurate compared to the speedometer) until Low Battery Warning (LBW) at 3.9 miles/kWh,
and an additional 8 miles (12.9 km) to Very Low Battery (VLB). I determined based on many dozens of
previous examples with the 2011 and 2012 LEAF that the car could drive another 4 – 5 miles (6.4 – 8.0 km)
until Turtle mode, for a total of 81 – 82 indicated miles of range."

Quick charge package $1300 MSRP gives 3.5 hour 220v charger (6.6kW/hr) vs 7 hour 220v charger (3.3kW/hr), 440v DC quick charge port, and rearview camera.

Actual charger is built-in the car. The box on wall is just an intelligent power switch.

This quick charge package would make sense to have if running on the ragged edge of range everyday, no?

Quote from cgott42 : Says "agreed upon value of the vehicle = $28,375 + taxes,fees,... = $29,803 Residual Value = $14,612 btw- I asked him if the Residual Value is negotiable - i.e. if at the end of the lease it's worth much less (e.g. pricing of electric cars come down in price and/or battery's get larger - last longer - making this less attractive to buy at that price - and he said they won't seel it for less than that price as they just write it off as a loss - and it's worth more to them) thanks ofr the info about the range estimator - today I started the car @80mi, drove ~52mi, and it said I had 15 (or 20 I forget) instead of 28.

They are going to write off the difference in book value and a lower sale price, anyway. That sales guy has no idea how accounting works. Feel free to haggle.