Why U.S. Internet and Wireless Access Is Slow and Expensive

Quote from bonkman : You're lucky. Well, in that you have some choice. Not in terms of who you picked. BTW -- if you pay $30 for 20/2, how much are you paying for cable?

exactly. This guy probably talking about his deeply discounted retention deal.
show us in california where you can get this 20/2 for $30 without any bundle or trick! no way.
even at&t u-verse has cap for 150G to 250G (based on 2012 TOS) now if you read it carefully. and that sucky VDSL doesn't even cover the whole westminster area in OC where only has 3mbps service in my community.

US internet is ultra expensive, capped and slow. thtat's the change we got for the past few years.

if you have some time, read how other similar/higher paid standard country such as Hong Kong, Japane, S. Korea Etc where has 500/500 to 1000/1000 for about $15 ($165HKD) to $40 range. And this guy is bragging about at&t [gigaom.com], TWC or Verizon FIOS? Verizon even says their customers don't want 1G connection, yet. [verizon.com] boostmobile (those 3rd tier mobile solutions) throttled speed after 2.5G?

Quote from roughnready : That's a part of it. But just looking at denser markets, the fact that the big providers have divied them up when it comes to wired service -- Time Warner gets NYC, Comcast gets x, etc. -- really seems anti-competitive to me. I'm not sure it's like this in other countries.

My favorite was when Time Warner tried to implement data caps on home broadband, effectively doubling their prices. They would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for everyone that screamed bloody murder. I could typically care less about ISP pricing, but when you have a monopoly you don't get to pull that crap.

I think much of the problem stems from the gov backpedaling on third party ISP access to existing infrastructure over a decade ago. Before they revoked that there were plenty of options for providers in the DSL field, so we could actually pretend that there was some shred of competition. It would have also prevented BS moves like data caps, which make absolutely no sense since the cost of bandwidth keeps decreasing over time.

Quote from j90275 : exactly. This guy probably talking about his deeply discounted retention deal. show us in california where you can get this 20/2 for $30 without any bundle or trick! no way. even at&t u-verse has cap for 150G to 250G (based on 2012 TOS) now if you read it carefully. and that sucky VDSL doesn't even cover the whole westminster area in OC where only has 3mbps service in my community. US internet is ultra expensive, capped and slow. thtat's the change we got for the past few years. if you have some time, read how other similar/higher paid standard country such as Hong Kong, Japane, S. Korea Etc where has 500/500 to 1000/1000 for about $15 ($165HKD) to $40 range. And this guy is bragging about at&t [gigaom.com], TWC or Verizon FIOS? Verizon even says their customers don't want 1G connection, yet. [verizon.com] boostmobile (those 3rd tier mobile solutions) throttled speed after 2.5G?

btw of those countries you just listed in asia, they are all smaller than the state of Texas basically.

Also I know for a fact not all of Japan's wired for super high speed internet.

Quote from j90275 : exactly. This guy probably talking about his deeply discounted retention deal. show us in california where you can get this 20/2 for $30 without any bundle or trick! no way. even at&t u-verse has cap for 150G to 250G (based on 2012 TOS) now if you read it carefully. and that sucky VDSL doesn't even cover the whole westminster area in OC where only has 3mbps service in my community. US internet is ultra expensive, capped and slow. thtat's the change we got for the past few years. if you have some time, read how other similar/higher paid standard country such as Hong Kong, Japane, S. Korea Etc where has 500/500 to 1000/1000 for about $15 ($165HKD) to $40 range. And this guy is bragging about at&t [gigaom.com], TWC or Verizon FIOS? Verizon even says their customers don't want 1G connection, yet. [verizon.com] boostmobile (those 3rd tier mobile solutions) throttled speed after 2.5G?

Nope, standard pricing. I have Basic yet all my speeds say 20/2 since they quietly bumped up all their speeds and the 2MB/sec I can download back it up. Who the hell really needs 500/500!?!?!? I mean, what........ Can your HD actually even write that fast or your cable modem even handle it?

I'm not bragging about shit. I'm saying the claim that there is this underclass of society because they don't have insanely fast broadband is a friggin joke. Sure you can bring up places that are better than us, but at the same time I can bring up several other similar countries that pay A LOT more than we do and get crappier service.

Lastly if you feel it's "ultra expensive' and slow why don't you go out and create a broadband company and deliver 500/500 for $15 a month. Hell, I'd sign up for it.

Quote from LivninSC : Nope, standard pricing. I have Basic yet all my speeds say 20/2 since they quietly bumped up all their speeds and the 2MB/sec I can download back it up. Who the hell really needs 500/500!?!?!? I mean, what........ Can your HD actually even write that fast or your cable modem even handle it? I'm not bragging about shit. I'm saying the claim that there is this underclass of society because they don't have insanely fast broadband is a friggin joke. Sure you can bring up places that are better than us, but at the same time I can bring up several other similar countries that pay A LOT more than we do and get crappier service. Lastly if you feel it's "ultra expensive' and slow why don't you go out and create a broadband company and deliver 500/500 for $15 a month. Hell, I'd sign up for it.

Who wants it? (use google translate!)
See those links that people are grouply ordering together for 500/500 in Hong Kong.
http://computer.uwants.com/viewth...d=14430906
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdeta...51230&p=23 (People in Taiwan complains about there is no 500 but only 100/100 there, they want the same deal in hong kong)

You can get more links by google it. Even Yahoo Japan sales/resales FTTH service with cheap price.

Show us the link where can we sign up in Los Angeles area with your 20/1 for $30 TWC. That's very good. I want it if this is standard pricing without bundle things.

The reason you got so many replies from people because what you stated is not close to reality. The title says US internet is slow and expensive. That's why "sure" I brought places where is cheaper!!!

Quote from j90275 : Who wants it? (use google translate!) See those links that people are grouply ordering together for 500/500 in Hong Kong. http://computer.uwants.com/viewth...d=14430906 http://www.mobile01.com/topicdeta...51230&p=23 (People in Taiwan complains about there is no 500 but only 100/100 there, they want the same deal in hong kong) You can get more links by google it. Even Yahoo Japan sales/resales FTTH service with cheap price. Show us the link where can we sign up in Los Angeles area with your 20/1 for $20 TWC. That's very good. I want it. The reason you got so many replies from people because what you stated is not close to reality. The title says US internet is slow and expensive. That's what "sure" I brought places where is cheaper!!!

So you bring up how people overseas want it and that immediately translates to the US market wanting it? Are you saying that these people overseas buy a plan and then resell it to others? You do know that's now allowed per the T&Cs here right? Why not just advocate stealing TV. I mean hell, all you need is a dish, some boxes, and some cards and you can get really cheap TV as there are people out there who "grouply order" DirecTV. That's not what we're talking about though now is it! You're the one who said that the US market doesn't even want it in that link you provided. Are you schizophrencic?

And sure, there are faster and possibly cheaper markets out there. So F'ing what? There are also more expensive and slower markets out there in the first world. Oohh, where's the outrage!!!!!! I mean, if I can get gas in Venezuela for 18 cents a gallon WHY must I pay $4/gallon here. OMG, the outrage. We are creating yet another America. An America where the underclass can't afford to buy a Winnebago and drive it as their primary vehicle because gas is $4/gallon. If Venezuela can do it for 18 cents so can we

Last I checked, I'm living in reality. I see my bill, I see my prices, I see my speedtest.net results, what's unreal about that?

Since you're a fan of Google use it. Like I said, I have Basic but because they quietly increased their speeds everything is faster than stated. I did drop from 30/3 to 20/2 when I downgraded but so what.

Quote from LivninSC : Nope, standard pricing. I have Basic yet all my speeds say 20/2 since they quietly bumped up all their speeds and the 2MB/sec I can download back it up. Who the hell really needs 500/500!?!?!? I mean, what........ Can your HD actually even write that fast or your cable modem even handle it?

Uh, USB2 max signal rate is 480 Mbps. USB2 is considered one of the slower forms of connecting nowadays.

Quote from bonkman : Uh, USB2 max signal rate is 480 Mbps. USB2 is considered one of the slower forms of connecting nowadays.

So Docsis 3.0 modems can handle a 1000 or 500Mbps upload?

Quote from LivninSC : So you bring up how people overseas want it and that immediately translates to the US market wanting it? Are you saying that these people overseas buy a plan and then resell it to others? You do know that's now allowed per the T&Cs here right? Why not just advocate stealing TV. I mean hell, all you need is a dish, some boxes, and some cards and you can get really cheap TV as there are people out there who "grouply order" DirecTV. That's not what we're talking about though now is it! You're the one who said that the US market doesn't even want it in that link you provided. Are you schizophrencic? And sure, there are faster and possibly cheaper markets out there. So F'ing what? There are also more expensive and slower markets out there in the first world. Oohh, where's the outrage!!!!!! I mean, if I can get gas in Venezuela for 18 cents a gallon WHY must I pay $4/gallon here. OMG, the outrage. We are creating yet another America. An America where the underclass can't afford to buy a Winnebago and drive it as their primary vehicle because gas is $4/gallon. If Venezuela can do it for 18 cents so can we Last I checked, I'm living in reality. I see my bill, I see my prices, I see my speedtest.net results, what's unreal about that? Since you're a fan of Google use it. Like I said, I have Basic but because they quietly increased their speeds everything is faster than stated. I did drop from 30/3 to 20/2 when I downgraded but so what.

Just answer that.
The same thread has people asked for google fiber which is 1G speed. I guess we want it, no to mention there is a petition for google fiber please come to LA market going on. Even there is a facebook group to it.
Nothing says about HD or what to use of the speed. People want cheaper rate with speed.
So that means US internet is slow and expensive, as of today, US, a country in the world. That saids US compared to other countries, title of this thread.
reports from a US backbone/content distribution company Akamai:
http://www.akamai.com/dl/akamai/q...raphic.pdf US mobile, slow.
http://www.akamai.com/dl/whitepap...=soti_Q312 US broadband, slow, average, 10.9mbps, slower than Columbia.

Quote from LivninSC : So Docsis 3.0 modems can handle a 1000 or 500Mbps upload?

Yeah. There's no upper bound on DOCSIS 3.0 speed. It handles stuff in parallel.

Quote from j90275 : Just answer that. The same thread has people asked for google fiber which is 1G speed. I guess we want it, no to mention there is a petition for google fiber please come to LA market petition going on. Even there is a facebook group to it. So that means US internet is slow and expensive, as of today, US, a country in the world.

No it doesn't. That's like saying a Bugatti Veyron is slow because it can only go ~ 270mph while a F-35 can go mach 1.6. Or if you don't like that it's like saying a Honda Accord is slow because it can only go 130 while the Veyron can go 240.

Both are more than enough...

I'm not sure why you guys feel that you're entitled to 1Gbps for $15/mo but if you think you can deliver it than stop wasting your time here and go out and do it. It's time to put up or shut up but don't think for one minute I will support any initiative to take my tax $ just do you can all download porn faster

Quote from travathian : The reason there is no competition is that right of way is an expensive, time consuming and much contested factor no one considers. A new data provider that wants to start up has virtually insurmountable costs associated with right of way access.

Indeed. There's no way for someone to startup as a new provider. Good luck getting enough funding and the local monopoly will likely tie you up with so much red tape that you'd probably run out of what little investment you had before you even sign up your first customer.

Quote from travathian : The fact that Comcast is both a cable/internet provider and a media company should scare the shit out of everyone.

Yep, quite scary, especially now that Comcast is buying the other 49% of NBCUniversal. http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes...7-billion/

Quote from bonkman : Yeah. There's no upper bound on DOCSIS 3.0 speed. It handles stuff in parallel.

Based on what I know there are no Docsis 3.0 modems out there that support 1Gbps upload and actually do it... I may be wrong but you're going to need to show it to me.

Quote from LivninSC : Based on what I know there are no Docsis 3.0 modems out there that support 1Gbps upload and actually do it... I may be wrong but you're going to need to show it to me.

There are no 5g phones out yet, either.