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Same-sex military couples to receive new benefits.

MsGal 37,559 February 11, 2013 at 02:45 PM
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My reason for posting is not should they receive benefits, I'm just curious if anyone knows how long the same-sex couple has to be together before they can apply? My husband is military (24 years), and was told by his command that benefits would be extended to those couples that had been together for as little as 6 months. Huh

We're curious because we know several military guys that live with their girlfriends. One couple even has a child together but are not married. They have been together for years.

Anyhow, extending benefits to same sex couples if fine but how are they going to argue against benefits for couples that are not of the same sex? It just doesn't seem fair to say "okay, you've been together for 6 months and we're gonna give you housing and privileges, but you over there that have been together for years, nope, not gonna offer you squat."

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I think with the right incentives and disincentives, one could get anyone to do anything. That includes engaging in homosexual activity and thus "turning" gay.
If I were to perform some homosexual act for the 'right' incentive, that doesn't change may personal preference I have for women. I would not be 'turned' gay. I'm not so sure about you though.
If someone paid you to rub dog shit all over you, would that mean you are suddenly a scatophile?
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If I were to perform some homosexual act for the 'right' incentive, that doesn't change may personal preference I have for women. I would not be 'turned' gay.
Men who willingly have sex with other men are by definition gay. If you were to, as they say hit it and quit it you would be someone who used to be gay.
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Men who willingly have sex with other men are by definition gay. If you were to, as they say hit it and quit it you would be someone who used to be gay.
Men that willingly have sex with other men are generally gay but that is not necessarily a definition of gay when you change the underlying details and take someone that prefers woman sexually but has sex with a man due to some other payoff, dare, whatever. If your wife 'experimented' in college with another girl, yet never did it again and prefers men, by your definition she would be gay, but to every, normal, thinking adult would consider her straight, that is if you're not the type of person trying to play fast and loose during a debate to 'win' a point.
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I'm single, why don't I get special benefits?
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I'm single, why don't I get special benefits?
Because these "special" benefits are only for those who are either married or in an established domestic partnership. Enter one of those (and then the military) & you'll be just as eligible as anyone else.
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Men that willingly have sex with other men are generally gay but that is not necessarily a definition of gay when you change the underlying details and take someone that prefers woman sexually but has sex with a man due to some other payoff, dare, whatever.
some would like to muddy the waters by defining gay as "must meet their same-sex soulmate to achieve self-actualization and deep fulfillment" or similar psychobabble.

But it really is as simple as men who willingly have sex with other men are gay.


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If your wife 'experimented' in college with another girl, yet never did it again and prefers men, by your definition she would be gay, but to every, normal, thinking adult would consider her straight, .
a) that would be really hot drool

b) that would fall under used to be gay
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Because these "special" benefits are only for those who are either married or in an established domestic partnership. Enter one of those (and then the military) & you'll be just as eligible as anyone else.
That's stupid. Why should I have to get married to get benefits?
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That's stupid. Why should I have to get married to get benefits?
Because the govt decided a long, long time ago to recognize such unions & grant them "special" benefits for the purpose of establishing stable family units for the raising of kids & the promulgation of society as a whole.

One can make the argument that govt should never have done that. But that's a very different debate than whether the special benefits currently enjoyed should be extened to same-sex marriages.
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That's stupid. Why should I have to get married to get benefits?
Someone claiming to be asexual should sue for discrimination based on sexual orientation
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Because the govt decided a long, long time ago to recognize such unions & grant them "special" benefits for the purpose of establishing stable family units for the raising of kids & the promulgation of society as a whole.
Homosexuals can't reproduce. Of course as predicted there is de facto polygamy being introduced with 3 people being listed on birth certificates, and men being forced to pay child support to their lesbian "wives"
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Someone claiming to be asexual should sue for discrimination based on sexual orientation
Based on what? How are they being discriminated against? Are they prohibited by law from entering into either a heterosexual or homosexual marriage (in places where the latter is already permitted)?


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Homosexuals can't reproduce.
No, they cannot. But that's only one factor in terms of providing a stable family unit for the *raising* of children.

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Of course as predicted there is de facto polygamy being introduced with 3 people being listed on birth certificates, and men being forced to pay child support to their lesbian "wives"
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Based on what? How are they being discriminated against? Are they prohibited by law from entering into either a heterosexual or homosexual marriage (in places where the latter is already permitted)?
Gays aren't prohibited by law to enter into a straight marriage. I guess it's okay for gays to get their marriage, but not for single people to get the benefits of marriage. Why should I be punished by paying a higher tax rate for not getting married?
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Gays aren't prohibited by law to enter into a straight marriage.
I never claimed they were.

However, regardless of the legality, I imagine the spouse in such a situation would feel like the victim of fraud is s/he was unaware of the other's true orientation.
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I guess it's okay for gays to get their marriage, but not for single people to get the benefits of marriage.
You are once again conflating two different issues. If you want to bitch about the benefits of marriage being bestowed upon couples via the govt, start such a thread & have a ball. This thread is about expanding the benefits that the govt has already codified to include same-sex couples.

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Why should I be punished by paying a higher tax rate for not getting married?
You don't.

Previously, married couples paid a higher rate than singles becaused their standard deduction was *less than* twice the standard deduction for a single person. That so-called "marriage penalty tax" was fixed a few years ago by raising the standard deduction for a married couple to exactly twice that of a single person.
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some would like to muddy the waters by defining gay as "must meet their same-sex soulmate to achieve self-actualization and deep fulfillment" or similar psychobabble.

But it really is as simple as men who willingly have sex with other men are gay.
No. It's as simple as men that LIKE to and prefer sex with other men are gay. Men that don't have such a preference are considered bisexual and men that have a preference for woman are heterosexual. If you suck some guy for $1 million, the act itself is gay, but it happens to have been done by a heterosexual man (I'm assuming). Doing something distasteful for a shit ton of money doesn't mean you prefer it now.

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a) that would be really hot drool

b) that would fall under used to be gay
So if I go to church one time but don't like it, does that mean I used to be Christian?
The thing is I'm pretty sure you know that doing something one time for a specific reason that is NOT because you like or enjoy it, does not earn you that label. The only reason you want to make this failed argument stick is because it would make your other arguments fail. Your ridiculous belief that anyone needs to have gay sex in order to perpetuate a fraud against the government is stupid from the get go and you double down by claiming that people WILL have gay sex merely to get a few benefits.
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some would like to muddy the waters by defining gay as "must meet their same-sex soulmate to achieve self-actualization and deep fulfillment" or similar psychobabble.

But it really is as simple as men who willingly have sex with other men are gay.




a) that would be really hot drool

b) that would fall under used to be gay
What's the statute of limitations that brings one from gay to used to be gay?
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What's the statute of limitations that brings one from gay to used to be gay?
Good question.

I smoked cigarettes for a while in college. I liked smoking and meeting women who smoked Big Grin, but not what it did to my lungs. And women I actually wanted to date didn't like the smell. The costs outweighted the benefits so I stopped.

Am I still a smoker because I used to smoke? Have I always been a smoker but only expressed it when I smoked? I think it simply began with the first cigarette and ended when I tossed the last pack of cigarettes - I went from smoker to non-smoker.

The trait of smoker / drinker / runner / cyclist / homosexual is defined by engaging in the activity. Can one be a runner who doesn't run? A cyclist who does not bike? The same goes for gay.
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