Nokia Lumia 810 at T-Mobile for FREE with 2-year Classic Plan

Quote from HetfieldJ : That's no gamechanger. What difference can IE make? There are tens of browsers..

Where WP7 sucks:

The WP7 IE was as functional as a desktop browser. The WP8 browser is lackluster, and it's not like you can just install Firefox or Chrome on Windows Phone. WP7 had a quality third party VIOP app in Tango, but Tango isn't in the WP8 store --and in a sad surprise Skype is horrible on WP8. Also, voice control is regionally retarded --I've got a bit of a hybrid accent between the Texas Twang and the Texas Drawl, and WP8 can't understand me one damn bit. It's excellent with my wife (she's a Brit,) but WP7's voice commands worked well for me --that said only BBOS 7.1 ever really got my commands right every time. Siri is a dumb Valley Girl, and Google's system thinks I'm done when I take a breath.

Where WP8 rocks:

Where WP8 is better is that it has 100% Sharepoint support, 100% MS exchange server support, legit MS office and entertainment software currently unavailable on any other platform (Zune is getting ported to iOS and Driod --possibly even QNX). Bing kicks the Andriod Google support's ass (built in song searching, direct link to turn by turn GPS, tabbed searches, and even image based searching.) And then there's the whole issue of allowing sideloading for Technet/MSDN subs and MIS/IT departments. Apple and Google won't let you whereas RIM and MS will. Oh --and WP8 has native security software unlike iOS or Android.


Final bits:

That said --the real reason to buy a Lumia is for the Nokia specific features. My 920 sounds better than my Cowon X7 for music on my more portable headphones --and it's the only device I can tolerate BT music streaming on. Offline GPS is a must have if you're a road tripper, and SD support isn't very available anymore outside of Samsung RIM and *some* Nokias.

Why I'm ditching my 920:

I hate the new spyware, lock in, and subscription models for software that MS, Google and Apple are moving too. I'm either going to buy a used Galaxy Nexus to shove Buntu phone on or I'll buy a QNX/BBOS10 device.

MS deserves props for the OS, and Nokia does for the device, but I'll be damned if I give up what little privacy I have left --and I like to own my stuff. Maybe I'm just old...

This is a great phone!

I've been using it for the last couple months with a 64 gig sd card and Zun... I mean Xbox Music pass.

Quote from vsp : Isn't Nexus 4 a better option? https://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Pho...ne=Nexus-4

Can't go wrong with Nexus 4 if you're looking for an Android phone. As for me, I opted for the Nokia 810. I love the City Lens and Nokia offline maps. The so call lack of apps (>100K and growing) isn't a big deal to me, but if Instagram, Pandora, Google services are must have, then iOS/Android is a no brainer.

Quote from NeverSummer07 : Tmo reps told me ETF is 21 days. I called to cancel on 22 days, and they didn't give me a hard time; they just said they're sorry it didn't work out for me. I cancelled 4 phones for $800 ETF and I can keep them. With fees, etc, $250 each is about right.

Did they unlock the phone also.

Quote from Dillweed : Where WP7 sucks: The WP7 IE was as functional as a desktop browser. The WP8 browser is lackluster, and it's not like you can just install Firefox or Chrome on Windows Phone. WP7 had a quality third party VIOP app in Tango, but Tango isn't in the WP8 store --and in a sad surprise Skype is horrible on WP8. Also, voice control is regionally retarded --I've got a bit of a hybrid accent between the Texas Twang and the Texas Drawl, and WP8 can't understand me one damn bit. It's excellent with my wife (she's a Brit,) but WP7's voice commands worked well for me --that said only BBOS 7.1 ever really got my commands right every time. Siri is a dumb Valley Girl, and Google's system thinks I'm done when I take a breath. Where WP8 rocks: Where WP8 is better is that it has 100% Sharepoint support, 100% MS exchange server support, legit MS office and entertainment software currently unavailable on any other platform (Zune is getting ported to iOS and Driod --possibly even QNX). Bing kicks the Andriod Google support's ass (built in song searching, direct link to turn by turn GPS, tabbed searches, and even image based searching.) And then there's the whole issue of allowing sideloading for Technet/MSDN subs and MIS/IT departments. Apple and Google won't let you whereas RIM and MS will. Oh --and WP8 has native security software unlike iOS or Android. Final bits: That said --the real reason to buy a Lumia is for the Nokia specific features. My 920 sounds better than my Cowon X7 for music on my more portable headphones --and it's the only device I can tolerate BT music streaming on. Offline GPS is a must have if you're a road tripper, and SD support isn't very available anymore outside of Samsung RIM and *some* Nokias. Why I'm ditching my 920: I hate the new spyware, lock in, and subscription models for software that MS, Google and Apple are moving too. I'm either going to buy a used Galaxy Nexus to shove Buntu phone on or I'll buy a QNX/BBOS10 device. MS deserves props for the OS, and Nokia does for the device, but I'll be damned if I give up what little privacy I have left --and I like to own my stuff. Maybe I'm just old...

Great, level-headed reply. I am no MS fan (ditched windows for the first time in my life after my first win 8 laptop was stuck on upgrade cycle 6 times in a row) and got a macbook.

I would like to know what you mean by the "new spyware, lock in, and subscription models for software " .. please elaborate if you have the time.

Thanks.

I really wanted another WP for my prepaid but the prices were just so high. Ended up giving my 12 YO my Focus S and I snagged a Nexus 4.

The N4 is really a beautiful device.

That said, I love WP for actually doing "phone" stuff with it. Unfortunately, for people on prepaids there just aren't a lot of great options as the WP8 devices are still way too expensive off contract - especially when compared to the N4.

Quote from Dillweed : My 920 sounds better than my Cowon X7 for music on my more portable headphones --and it's the only device I can tolerate BT music streaming on.

Really!? A lot of people were alluding to the idea that sound was processed by Qualcomm's SoC. Do you know if it uses a discrete audio processor? I've been looking for a good all-in-one phone, and quality DAC is hard to come by with phones in America

Quote from chuckynoris : Did they unlock the phone also.

I didn't ask to unlocked. I'm a long time customer with another account and never had a problem requesting to unlock. They said I can request to unlock one phone per month. I just told them I going overseas, which I do a lot.

Etf is $200.

what is the classic plan? I still have the old $2.99 t-zones. Would hate to give it up. Would i be able to use tzones on this?

Quote from NeverSummer07 : Tmo reps told me ETF is 21 days. I called to cancel on 22 days, and they didn't give me a hard time; they just said they're sorry it didn't work out for me. I cancelled 4 phones for $800 ETF and I can keep them. With fees, etc, $250 each is about right.

That is good. Didn't they ask you to return the phone with all accessories?

Quote from BosuxRedsux : what is the classic plan? I still have the old $2.99 t-zones. Would hate to give it up. Would i be able to use tzones on this?

Damn, thought my $5.99 t-zone was old. I'm not letting it go and for you, you probably should keep it for life.

Quote from aleki : Really!? A lot of people were alluding to the idea that sound was processed by Qualcomm's SoC. Do you know if it uses a discrete audio processor? I've been looking for a good all-in-one phone, and quality DAC is hard to come by with phones in America

I can't say TBH, but the quality difference is also apparent over the BT connections on both devices. The only advantage the X7 has is with reference class high impedence cans IMHO. My Grado Reference series sound better with the X7, but everything else sounds better on the 920.

DACs are really only something the headphone crowd obsesses about anymore. The home stereo crowd pretty much left that argument by the wayside a decade ago because home based discrete DACs can be made nearly irrelevant with proper software. Take for instance Onkyo's or Denon's $500 SACD players with Wolfson DACs versus a $99 Pioneer DVD player w/ SACD support. The Pioneers use a Ti DAC only capable of 96/24 and a POS OPAMP, but the firmware on that DAC is what really matters. The Pioneer sounds like a damn God whereas that friggin Onkyo and Denon are found returned in any Frys that carries them.

Now that 192/32 sound processing is integrated into pretty much every Qualcom and Ti SOC, the real issue is coding. Nokia got it right --just be sure not to screw with the damn EQ. I prefer my sound neutral, and EQ is one of my biggest pet peeves.

Quote from hedwig : Great, level-headed reply. I am no MS fan (ditched windows for the first time in my life after my first win 8 laptop was stuck on upgrade cycle 6 times in a row) and got a macbook. I would like to know what you mean by the "new spyware, lock in, and subscription models for software " .. please elaborate if you have the time. Thanks.

Lock in is a legal term, but where I'm annoyed here is that "App stores" and media stores which require you lose content when leaving the fold. Apple is the worst about it (Google allows other App stores as does MS,) --why do you really think Apple is pulling ODDs out of DESKTOPS? It makes them harder to mount to walls, and generally less usable to the vast majority of people BUT they figure you'll probably buy your movies and music in iTunes exclusively.

Google tracks your location for advertising and even reads your emails as does Apple. MS will let you pay them $20 a year in mobster style protection money, so they at least have a way around it, but I'm not a fan of mob tactics.

MS is all about software as a service. They'll get you for Xbox live, Zune pass, Outlook.com, and Office. They've been doing the software lease for years at an enterprise level, and now they're moving it to you and I. It's not too different from Apple's yearly OS upgrades, but lessees can't opt out without losing everything.

This BS from pretty much every major software firm is why I am debating returning to the FOSS from which I came, never to be seen or heard from again...

Quote from MPoWeRM3 : Damn, thought my $5.99 t-zone was old. I'm not letting it go and for you, you probably should keep it for life.

Right now you may be able to upgrade your $5.99 t-zones to $5.00 5GB + unlimited. I upgraded my $10 web2go to $5 5GB + unlimited. Some people are saying it's not throttled even after 5GB, and my T-Mobile dashboard corroborates this, not mentioning any limits where previously it noted 5GB high-speed cap.

You can call and give it a try anyway:

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You have to enter a new 2-year contract though, but if you're so adamant you'd never give up your $6 data plan, you may as well sign up for the $5 un-restricted data plan and never give it up (for 2 years at least.) Besides, if you gripe about having to enter a new contract, the CSR will probably knock $10-$20 off your monthly bill for the term of the contract.