State Gun Control Legislation

Quote from nobama : I didn't say the NY law mandated taking the guns away from residents, my point was that the legislation was enacted in such a way that caught many NY residents by surprise.

I know you didn't say that. I was pointing out the ways in which they're different, and why it was easier to get the NY law passed than it will be to get this law passed.

Quote from nobama : Read the text of the MO law. Please explain how the intent of the law is not to confiscate and destroy "your guns"... Contrary to what some would try to have us believe, it is not an "irrational fear".

only certain types of guns. Right?

In fact the vast majority of guns are not even subject to thisproposed law. Right?

There is a bit of hyperbole here but I will allow it.

Quote from nobama : It appears that any Constitution is in their minds irrelevant if the end justifies the means.....

as it should be.

that said, i'm against this, as i'm against states' rights in general. the citizens of one state should have no more or less rights than the citizens of any other.

but in the meantime, good for them.

Quote from nobama : And the 2nd Amendment

The problem is that some of the state's rights people believe states are not subject to federal laws and for example a local sheriff could disobey rulings by the SCOTUS and orders by the POTUS,

Quite hilarious.

Quote from TRNT : only certain types of guns. Right? In fact the vast majority of guns are not even subject to thisproposed law. Right? There is a bit of hyperbole here but I will allow it.

A large number of guns will be banned according to the proposed MO law. If you owned one of those, then it would be true that the intent of the law would be to confiscate and destroy "your guns"...

Quote from TRNT : The problem is that some of the state's rights people believe states are not subject to federal laws and for example a local sheriff could disobey rulings by the SCOTUS and orders by the POTUS, Quite hilarious.

Does the alleged disobedience of those rulings and orders deny US citizens of their Constitutional right?

Quote from nobama : A large number of guns will be banned according to the proposed MO law. If you owned one of those, then it would be true that the intent of the law would be to confiscate and destroy "your guns"...

As I said:

Only certain types of guns. Right?

In fact the vast majority of guns are not even subject to this proposed law. Right?

Quote from nobama : Does the alleged disobedience of those rulings and orders deny US citizens of their Constitutional right?

If one thinks they are not subject to ruling of the SCOTUS or orders of the POTUS, then how could the same person think they are covered by the 2nd Amendment?

Quote from TRNT : As I said: Only certain types of guns. Right? In fact the vast majority of guns are not even subject to this proposed law. Right?

"Only certain types" of guns that would be banned takes in a lot of guns that are not even considered by many persons to be "assault weapons".

The vast majority of single shot rifles, pistols and shotguns are not subject to this proposed law.

It is irrelevant whether or not it is the "vast majority", however. This has been discussed by many persons in the other threads.

Just read this in the bill:

Quote : A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; or

When will these people learn...

And oh yeah, sorry turkey hunters:

Quote : (d) Semi-automatic shotgun that has one or more of the following: a. A pistol grip or thumbhole stock;

Quote from nobama : "Only certain types" of guns that would be banned takes in a lot of guns that are not even considered by many persons to be "assault weapons". The vast majority of single shot rifles, pistols and shotguns are not subject to this proposed law. It is irrelevant whether or not it is the "vast majority", however. This has been discussed by many persons in the other threads.

We are often told there are about 300 million guns in the US. If all of those were in MO, what percent of those do you think will be subject to this law. It seems to me it would be a very small percentage. No?

Quote from TRNT : As I said: Only certain types of guns. Right? In fact the vast majority of guns are not even subject to this proposed law. Right?

Actually, MO's law covers a large number of guns - any semi-auto rifle or shotgun with a collapsible stock, for instance, and any semi-auto rifle or shotgun with a pistol grip. Any magazine that accepts more than 10 rounds would be illegal as well - which is the majority of magazines sold with rifles and non-compact pistols.

Also of note in the law is that it gives options for people who currently possess those things - take it out of MO, render is inoperable, or surrender it for destruction. It does not mention anything about surrendering a normal capacity magazine for conversion to a low capacity (10 round) magazine. Wonder if it would still be considered illegal if it were modified...

Quote from bridgeburner : Nothing in the NY law mandated taking the guns away from residents. It was just tightening up an existing assault weapons ban, limited magazine capacity, and increasing background checks.

I don't see a difference between taking existing guns and not letting people buy new ones. Also, the leftists screamed that 10 rounds was not creating a slippery slope, and then these evil people further reduced ti to 7. So much for their "word."

I'll be intrigued to see how this plays out and how the populace reacts to confiscation, should this bill come to pass. I'm guessing there will be more than one shootout, should this go down.

Quote from JackHandey : I'll be intrigued to see how this plays out and how the populace reacts to confiscation, should this bill come to pass. I'm guessing there will be more than one shootout, should this go down.

i will hail whatever brave missouri state trooper whose blood is shed as a martyr that will further the cause.

also, i can't help but think, that if this kind of legislation can be proposed in missouri, it can be proposed anywhere. from the fountains in the outfield in kauffman park, to the city museum in st louis, i am so proud of mo right now. i feel privileged to say i've flown over and driven through it on a number of occasions. the show me state indeed. show me your guns, so they can be taken away.