AMMO in stock: 500 round Brick - 22 LR CCI Standard Velocity OOS

Quote from kbenson : Seriously though, 2 the folks who are stocking 5k plus rounds, do u have a ceiling (limit) or just continue to add?

For 22LR, stocking up 15-20k rounds is very easy. Doesn't take up much space. Personally my ceiling is 20k and 5k is floor reserve. Remember that depleting 22LR is very easy too.

Quote from rimshaker : For 22LR, stocking up 15-20k rounds is very easy. Doesn't take up much space. Personally my ceiling is 20k and 5k is floor reserve. Remember that depleting 22LR is very easy too.

I suppose that (depleting)would take into account the owners local- Some have lots of open space. Here in Cali only open space is a gun range $$

Quote from Bigbent7 : I am mainly a lurker here on SD but figured i would chime in on this. My roomate in college works for remington out in Arkansas and i have been picking his brain on this whole "shortage". He claims they have ammo stacked to the ceiling in the factory. He said to expect a full rush of ammo around april. He also stated prices have not increased to any of their accounts which in most cases is the distributors. It is the distributors and/or retailers who raise the prices. Regardless he said mid summer supply will be normal at larger retailers(walmart, dicks, etc) which should drive the price down for the smaller shops

Not saying that your college roomate is misleading you - but that story completely goes against what the Remington people was saying on the news last week that even if they ran their machines 24x7 that they were still 6 weeks backordered ... CNN was saying that 3,456,000 firearms has been purchased since Dec 15th 2012 -- and all of them are needing ammo -- there were more guns sold in Dec 12 and Jan 13 than anytime in history and feb is looking at coming in a solid 3rd...

and all of them will need ammo for their new guns .. and the hoarders get nervous and they buy a little more also .. and the normal folks get nervous from the news and they buy a little more .. and everyone stocks up a little more and are willing to pay a little more than they should ... and it just keeps being a vicious cycle...

with no end in site...

Looks as if the mods here are removing any posts that discuss the REASON for the Crazy rush on ammo. And don’t you dare say CIVAL WAR on Slickdeals or they will delete that post too. Hmmm maybe it’s because they can’t get paid any commission from Amazon for referrals with ammo when the dollar becomes valueless. I know for a fact that the population’s disposable income has been moving to ammo and gun purchases. I bet if they were honest, Slickdeals is seeing a decline in consumer product purchase. I know I have been buying hardly any consumer products since the gun and ammo crisis. I’m sure that this post will be deleted as well, but that’s why I’m taking a screen shot to prove it existed. Why can’t the mods let there be a fair and balanced view? Looks like they want to control what you see and read.

Quote from ghostwriter66 : Not saying that your college roomate is misleading you - but that story completely goes against what the Remington people was saying on the news last week that even if they ran their machines 24x7 that they were still 6 weeks backordered ... CNN was saying that 3,456,000 firearms has been purchased since Dec 15th 2012 -- and all of them are needing ammo -- there were more guns sold in Dec 12 and Jan 13 than anytime in history and feb is looking at coming in a solid 3rd... and all of them will need ammo for their new guns .. and the hoarders get nervous and they buy a little more also .. and the normal folks get nervous from the news and they buy a little more .. and everyone stocks up a little more and are willing to pay a little more than they should ... and it just keeps being a vicious cycle... with no end in site...

Great explanation !!!!

Quote from Ghostwriter66 : Not saying that your college roomate is misleading you - but that story completely goes against what the Remington people was saying on the news last week that even if they ran their machines 24x7 that they were still 6 weeks backordered ... CNN was saying that 3,456,000 firearms has been purchased since Dec 15th 2012 -- and all of them are needing ammo -- there were more guns sold in Dec 12 and Jan 13 than anytime in history and feb is looking at coming in a solid 3rd... and all of them will need ammo for their new guns .. and the hoarders get nervous and they buy a little more also .. and the normal folks get nervous from the news and they buy a little more .. and everyone stocks up a little more and are willing to pay a little more than they should ... and it just keeps being a vicious cycle... with no end in site...

Cnn is also #1 in misinformation. I doubt remington would come out and admit that they are sitting on ammo because that would piss off the consumers. They question is why are they sitting on it if indeed they do have it? Would a time stamped picture inside the factory change your mind

Quote from tojo_m : I hope the prices of Amos go up just as tobacco products over the past 2 decades. 1 round= $1 at least. Bang bang bang bang. There goes $4 outta ur pocket and there lie 4 dead people. People may stop thinking of this as a sport after all.

5.56 and 223 rounds are already $1 per round.

Well I hope prices for gas to go way up. $10.00 per gallon. I have plenty of disposible income and don't need to drive far to go anywhere so high cost won't affect me much. The more it cost to drive means less traffic and less people on the road. Less people on the road = less people become fatalities due to crashes and dwi.

See how stupid you sound? This thread is about ammo availability not your distaste for 2nd amendment. Police won't be there 24/7 to protect you. Its a right to protect yourself and family against criminals. How much is your life worth?

And besides, comparing to the stockmarket... purchasing ammo for me done me very well. The large amount of ammo early last year practically doubled and tripled in value less than a year. And learning from the past, Ammo will never go back to the old price but stays higher. Way better investment than the stockmarket....... which I frankly is overpiced and is not even aligned with reality right now.

Quote from kbenson : One of the reasons ammo prices are so high http://www.examiner.com/article/f...-questions

meh if you look at the most recent solicitation they posted its not all that crazy seeing how many persons w/ in that department are in gun carrying position. Plus they are moving towards .40 vs 9mm which is why you see a lot more .40

Quote : Item No . Description Qty Unit 001 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) Pistol Cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point(Jhp) p/n P40HSTS3G OR EQUAL. BRASS CASING. TOTAL 100,000 Rounds for this line item. ROUNDS TO BE PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY. No bulk ammo will be accepted. Ammo should be packaged in 50 round boxes in a case of 1000 or 500 rounds. Delivery will be made by 3 PM (MST) with 24 hour advance notice. Shipment will be moved to the rear of the delivery vehicle for unloading with forklift. Destination Point of Delivery: Federal Law Enforcement Training Center 91 Gunpowder Road Artesia, New Mexico 88210 100 MX 002 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) PISTOL CARTIDGE 9MM BALL 124 GRAIN P/N AE9AP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING. TOTAL ROUNDS for this line item 40,000 ROUNDS. PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVEY. No bulk ammo will be accepted. Ammo should be packaged in 50 round boxes in a case of 1000 or 500 rounds. Delivery will be made by 3 PM (MST) with 24 hour advance notice. Shipment will be moved to the rear of the delivery vehicle for unloading with forklift. Destination Point of Delivery: Federal Law Enforcement Training Center 91 Gunpowder Road Artesia, New Mexico 88210 40 MX

Quote from Bigbent7 : Cnn is also #1 in misinformation. I doubt remington would come out and admit that they are sitting on ammo because that would piss off the consumers. They question is why are they sitting on it if indeed they do have it? Would a time stamped picture inside the factory change your mind

Actually CNN was quoting the FBI Director that was explaining how their verification system worked - so it was actually the Director of the FBI that stated the 3.5Mil number ... also I am saying that Remington is NOT stockpiling ammo - your friend may have seen tons of ammo sacked to the ceiling simply waiting to be shipped -- but from what i understand they are shipping it out as fast as they are making it... they are a business - there is zero reason for them to stockpile it -- if they want to raise the price they will simply raise it -- consumers don't have to buy it - but they will --

Quote from Bigbent7 : I am mainly a lurker here on SD but figured i would chime in on this. My roomate in college works for remington out in Arkansas and i have been picking his brain on this whole "shortage". He claims they have ammo stacked to the ceiling in the factory. He said to expect a full rush of ammo around april. He also stated prices have not increased to any of their accounts which in most cases is the distributors. It is the distributors and/or retailers who raise the prices. Regardless he said mid summer supply will be normal at larger retailers(walmart, dicks, etc) which should drive the price down for the smaller shops

If your friend is accurate, it would explain why none of the shops in my area have been getting much ammo shipment (if any) since December. It sounds like whichever distributor/client who bought those ammo have asked for a temporary hold which would explain why they're still at the factory and haven't shipped out yet. hmmm, that raises even more questions than it answers. they're going to get to a point where they won't have anymore storage space and will have to either stop production or rush ship them out to the clients for them to store themselves or distribute. It would be interesting to find out who those clients are because that is actually where all this ammo bottleneck lies... not the manufacturers, nor the stores.

Quote from ghostwriter66 : Not saying that your college roomate is misleading you - but that story completely goes against what the Remington people was saying on the news last week that even if they ran their machines 24x7 that they were still 6 weeks backordered ... CNN was saying that 3,456,000 firearms has been purchased since Dec 15th 2012 -- and all of them are needing ammo -- there were more guns sold in Dec 12 and Jan 13 than anytime in history and feb is looking at coming in a solid 3rd... and all of them will need ammo for their new guns .. and the hoarders get nervous and they buy a little more also .. and the normal folks get nervous from the news and they buy a little more .. and everyone stocks up a little more and are willing to pay a little more than they should ... and it just keeps being a vicious cycle... with no end in site...

Don't always believe press releases, especially if it's on CNN or another media group on TV. They contain some truths (and sometimes even lies) but often times not the whole story. running the machines 24x7 and still being back-ordered by 6 weeks just means they can't fill their client's orders not that civilians/us are buying up all the ammo. remember that manufacturers don't deal with end users, just distributors. some client/distributor out there is buying up all the stock and placing massive orders but holding onto all that inventory. I have a few ideas but can't confirm any of it, it's just speculations.

a lot of the new gun sales are to new buyers most of which are not going to be stockpiling ammo, especially since when they bought their gun, ammo was already out of stock. the veteran gun owners were the ones that did the stockpiling and the ones who caused the ammo shelves to go bare. The real issue is that those same shelves were never really restocked since they initially went bare so everyone is blaming it on the hoarders. It's true that hoarders are the reason for bare shelves but only initially.

Quote from LexaID4 : Looks as if the mods here are removing any posts that discuss the REASON for the Crazy rush on ammo.

I noticed that as well.

Quote from doinky : Well I hope prices for gas to go way up. $10.00 per gallon. I have plenty of disposible income and don't need to drive far to go anywhere so high cost won't affect me much.

Look around your house. 95% of your things got to the store where you bought them at via truck or train. Most likely all the food in your fridge and freezer got there by truck or train. Increase in fuel prices turns into increases in shipment costs which retailers increase the prices of their goods to cover costs. Weird how fuel can have such an impact on our economy/inflation

Quote from Bigbent7 : Look around your house. 95% of your things got to the store where you bought them at via truck or train. Most likely all the food in your fridge and freezer got there by truck or train. Increase in fuel prices turns into increases in shipment costs which retailers increase the prices of their goods to cover costs. Weird how fuel can have such an impact on our economy/inflation

Of course I agree. Cheap oil is the main reason majority of goods are produced half way across the globe and shipped here made possible. Everything is in realtime inventory that gets stocked daily for effiiciency. Just enough goods to last couple days and produce goods only when orders come it. Thats why you see shelves wipe clean really fast when panic buying sets in. Only exception is ammo, mags and guns. They are running 24/7 but still can't catch up with demand.

And having a good high disposible income and very little monthly bills helps. Increased food and gas prices won't impact me much as someone that lives paycheck to paycheck. Which the majority of Ammericans already are.

Quote from LexaID4 : Maybe you should take your zealousness and do some good instead of blowing smoke on this forum. Write Natchez and Cheaper Than Dirt who are actively selling ammunition at $0.19-$0.30 a round for BLANKS! They are definitely the ones who are setting the market. Direct your attention to the real problem creators. Again, deamnd is very high as well as cost and that probably makes you mad. I'm sure those commodity spectulators make you mad as well when you pay more at the pump and the grocery store. The facts are the facts and this is the time we live in. Just pray this doesn't happen to water or food! Idea: Stop shooting, stop driving, and stop buying groceries and then you will become a real advocate for lower prices and a help to the problem. But wait, you were looking on this thread to buy, which increases demand... Hmmmmmmm

If I were to write Natchez, CTD, SGAmmo, etc they'd ignore me. They're purchasing wholesale and selling retail. They're currently charging a hefty premium on their retail sales.

What you're doing is buying retail, marking it up, and selling it again. This creates three problems.

1. You're taking ammo away from folks (me, other SDers, etc) who otherwise could have purchased it and used it themselves.
2. You're selling this third-hand ammo to other folks for more than they could have purchased it themselves, and are compounding the price inflation issue.
3. You're communicating to these dealers that you're willing to pay these higher prices. They don't know that's because you want to turn and sell it.

You're buying something and selling it for a profit, it's not complicated. But spare us the "good deed" spin.

I'm on here providing reference for prices. It's the same as if an Xbox Live Gold card or a bulk-pack of paper towels or a solid state drive were posted. Not buying ammo at these prices is my choice and I'm trying to make others aware of the fact that they don't have to panic grab any ammo they see at any price. Yes, I have a supply at home but that supply was fulfilled during non-crazy times. I'm simply not going shooting as much because I'm not able to back fill my supply as easily.

Quote from GTeye : A .22 can make a perfectly fine round for self defense and CCW, espescially for the ladies and the elderly. Go ask a police officer about some of the victims they have seen killed with a .22 and you might have a little more respect for the caliber.

Just because .22 is lethal doesn't mean it's an ideal choice for CCW. Go ask a police officer some time if they'd mind carrying a .22 instead of their 9/.40.

Quote from digThisXL : Guys, I have to agree with Lexal's assessment of capitalism. Why not raise the prices to meet demand? That way if someone TRULY needs ammo, it will be available to them. He's actually providing a very valuable service.

The prices at places like Natchez, SGAmmo, CTD, etc are going up because wholesale channels dried up. They said screw it and raised their prices to see just how high they could go and still make a sale. Turns out the answer was pretty high.

Lexal is simply a dude trying to make a buck. If he bought a crate of 1,000 .223 for $600 from a retailer and sold it for $700 in person or on craigs, he's going to do it. That doesn't mean I have to be happy about the fact that he's contributing to the problem.

Quote from virtual4desires : Everyone doesn't wanna admit the real truth!, blame bans, blame this, blame that. We all don't want to admit the real truth! A CIVIL WAR MAY BE HEADED OUR WAY!. I hope in every way possible that it does not happen but history repeats itself and the mass are refusing to ignore the signs this time around. The last time it happened, millions upon millions died.

Do tell. How will this civil war break out? Certainly not a North-South division as before, seeing as how almost all of the Southern states receive more than they contribute to the nation.

If you're speaking of an uprising from the working class, I can see that. But it's not going to last long.

Quote from Black107 : Do tell. How will this civil war break out? Certainly not a North-South division as before, seeing as how almost all of the Southern states receive more than they contribute to the nation.

First off, what are the Southern states actually receiving? Is it welfare, SS, Dept of Ed funds, HUD, highways, border patrols, etc?? If you just just blanket count Fed dollas, its a useless and irrelevant statistic. Feds are responsible for highways, so if the Feds need to build or repair the Federal roads, its their job to do so, even if there are 10 people in the State. What about the Coast Guard costs for Florida or Texas? Military bases in Texas and Bama or North Carolina? Just an FYI, 14 of the Top 15 welfare states that are blue states.

Second off, who is getting the funds? Just because a state gets more Fed dollars than it gives, doesnt mean its true. Florida for example, has many retired seniors, who arent contributing anything, yet are collecting their SS benefits. Who is on disability?

3rd off, what political party is getting those funds? Are Democrat voters or Republican voters getting the Fed dollars? There isnt a single recorded statistic by the CDC or Census Bureau that details who is getting welfare or disability and what political party they are. The closest we can guess is that if they are black, since 97% voted for Obama, any black people that receive welfare is 97% certain to be a Democrat. So again, WHO is getting the Federal dollars in those Southern states?

But I digress, I kinda agree with you... if there ever were to be a civil war again in this country, it wouldnt be Noth vs South, it would be between workers and slackers. Slackers would riot in the streets and demanding morre handouts and entitlements, and the workers who own guns (majority of them) would be picking them off at a good clip. Thats just my opinion. They might overpower me, but barring any catastrophic malfunction of all my guns, I know I will get 30-50 before they can get to me.