Schneider Level 2 EV Charger, $699 at Home Depot

Quote from d55guy : As an engineer who builds and test batteries, yes. LiFePO4 cells will last 3000, 5000+ cycles depending on DOD. Add to that the EPA makes them warranty them for 8yrs,100k...

Is this at a prorate or a replacement? Does the EPA say at what point they have to be replaced IE, if they're 80% of new, 50% of new, etc?

Unless there are some specifics in there, I can see dealers / manufactures fighting any kind of warranty claim on the batteries. In some cases, the cells are 25% of the cost of the vehicle.

Quote from princebargain : Its not the cost of the charger, its the cost of the installation that will kill ya. Cost me $1100 to install a "free" Blink Level 2 charger for my Leaf.

What was the breakdown on the install? As someone in the electrical field, that seems ridiculous, unless they had to pull a TON of wire through walls, but even then, that seems outrageous.

Quote from kbissing : Agree. Me was 400 for putting in a outlet 1 foot from electrical box

Again, like above, what is the breakdown on this? Even at retail, an "expensive" Square-D 2P30A breaker is $15, 3' of 12-2 MC is ~$1.50. Less than $20 in parts at retail prices. Electricians will run $50-80\hour depending on what kind of truck they drive. To mount that charger 1ft away, that should be done in less than half an hour if you are an actual electrician. Most electricians charge a minimum of 1 hour, so;

$20 parts + $80 labor = $100. Where is the other $300 coming from?

Quote from sat_sonic : These things convert hight levels of AC to high levels of DC, so yes there is plenty in the box.

Incorrect. The only chargers that are actual outboard, AC to DC converting chargers are Type 4's and as of right now, those cost more than the EV cars themselves. Type 1, 2 and 3 chargers send straight 120v or 240v AC to the car and the car's onboard charger handles the charging.

That said, they L2 chargers are a little more sophisticated than just sending straight voltage to the car. There are control circuits in place to start and stop the charger, as well shut off the supply when the onboard charger tells it to.

Quote from cracovian : The batteries will last forever, just with less capacity

No, not forever. There will be a point when the battery simply will no longer hold any charge, or when it becomes to a point when the capacity becomes such that it just isn't feasible to drive the car, at which point the cells will have to be replaced. Your driving conditions will determine the battery life. On a car that is good for 100 miles, if you only drive it 15 miles before charging again, your cells will last longer than someone who drives it 100 miles before charging. The further you discharge, the shorter the life cycle. This goes for pretty much every rechargeable battery chemistry.