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Last Edited by The Debater March 20, 2013 at 03:33 PM
Update to latest stock firmware if not planning to use a 3rd party firmware (OpenWrt, DD-WRT). The latest stock version includes several important stability fixes:
http://www.tp-link.us/support/dow...version=V1

OR="Red"]Note: flashing to a 3rd party firmware will void your warranty. Proceed with caution. If you follow the directions carefully, you will be fine.[/COLOR]


Note also (unsupported 3rd party feature): 3rd party firmware does not currently support the hardware NAT feature of this router and probably will not any time soon. Flashing back to stock will restore this functionality.



This router is the cheapest router to get OpenWRT's newest branch, Attitude adjustment which implements CoDEL a new parameterless bufferbloat solution.

Bufferbloat = latency lag when network approaches full usage.

Example: VoIP, VidChat, gaming, latency sensitive apps start stuttering once that other dude in your house starts his NetFlix streaming. You cry and stop doing what you were doing until he's done. OR you can buy this and setup codel and be happy. ^^

Installing OpenWRT isn't necessarily quite as easy but it's straightforward. If you've installed dd-wrt or Tomato, I have confidence in you that you can install OpenWRT Wink
If you know someone who would probably struggle putting dd-wrt/tomato on a router... don't have them install this. They might mess it up.

Got mine and got OpenWRT installed, so far so good....

Here's what I did (Disclaimer, if you are technically challenged I do not suggest doing this or find the beta builds of DDWRT or Gargoyle):

Original link stopped working here's a new link, if it no longer works see below.
http://downloads.openwrt.org/atti...actory.bin

If that still doesn't work here's the path from the openwrt downloads page.
Attitude adjustment...
12.09-rc1...
Ar71xx...
Generic...
Openwrt-ar71xx-generic-tl-wdr3600-v1-squashfs-factory.bin

1.) Connect an ethernet cable to the LAN side of the router, navigate to 192.168.1.1 (It may be 192.168.0.1). Username is "admin" password is "admin".
2.) Rename your OpenWRT image to "factory.bin". Navigate to the firmware upgrade page and update the firmware with your OpenWRT image.
3.) Once upgrade is done, manually set your computer's IP to 192.168.1.X (whatever you want on 1.X subnet). this step wasn't necessary for me, I got an IP via DHCP right after flashing just fine
4.) Use Putty or some other program to telnet into 192.168.1.1. Type "passwd" at command prompt and set a root password. Type "exit" and get out of the telnet session.
5.) Connect an ethernet cable from your modem to the WAN (Internet) side of the router. The blue port. The router needs internet access for the next step.
5.) Reopen Putty and do an SSH session to the same IP, login as root with your new password. Type "opkg update" and return. Type "opkg install luci" and return. To enable Luci to start on boot, type "/etc/init.d/uhttpd enable" and return and then type "/etc/init.d/uhttpd start" and return. I would also install the Luci qos module, type "opkg install luci-app-qos" and return.
6.) You can now login to Luci via an HTTP interface at 192.168.1.1. Good luck with the rest, just make sure you enable your wifi interfaces and configure them.

NOTE: It has been widely reported that LuCi is already installed and running after the install of OpenWRT. After you do the initial upgrade try navigating to 192.168.1.1 to see if the LuCI interface is up and running. If it is not then you should run through the steps listed above.

7.) Optionally, you may change to a more user friendly interface by installing the bootstrap theme (now available from the software installation function built into the web interface).
Info about bootstrap theme: http://nut-bolt.nl/2012/openwrt-b...-for-luci/
To install: System --> Software --> search for bootstrap in available package --> click install
To activate theme go to: System ---> Language and Style ---> Design ---> Bootstrap Smilie

More info, including instructions for setting up Codel on OpenWrt: https://gist.github.com/petedoyle/4129668. (he does it in a bit more complicated way than necessary, if anyone has easier instructions, please update).
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Gargoyle install: (i.e. the easy way)
If you want the simple method and are ok with a simplified interface then download the gargoyle image here http://www.gargoyle-router.com/do...actory.bin and do the upgrade with that. It already has the GUI installed and running so you can go directly to 192.168.1.1.

Although very functional, Gargoyle is kind of ugly by default, so if you care about that sort of thing, install a theme Smilie

NOTE: Gargoyle does not have all the options that LuCi does, it was designed this way. It has QOS and Codel installed by default. If you don't know why you want all the options available in Luci, then you probably don't need them.
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Here are some other helpful links that I used: bimologist
DDNS Client: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto...using.luci
OpenVPN Setup: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/vpn.openvpn
Guest WLan: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/recipes/guest-wlan (non Luci) (I could not get the Luci directions to work)
Guest WLAN via Luci (does not work for some): https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=34092

Instructions for setting up QoS and CoDel for OpenWRT peeps:

Pulled from OpenWRT forums:
Quote :
First of all, the values to enter in the qos configuration are your maximal net bandwidth minus some headroom that qos needs to be effective (I hink this is no longer true for the post-backfire codel-based qos). Especially the upload value needs to be lower than the maximum you observed empirically.
I have a "up to" 16Mbit / 1Mbit line. The observed actual net rates are for me about 12Mbit and 950 kbit respectively. I hence entered this in the qos config
option download 12000
option upload 800
Since you cannot control downstream in a meaningful manner I left it at 12000, but upstream needs the headroom and through testing with simultaneous saturating upload traffic and pings I settled on 800.

I also have this stanza
onfig classify
option target "Express"
option ports "22,5190,5060,5222,19295,19301-19310
where the 19xxx ports are for Google voice and video chats, 5060 is supposed to be VoIP, but I have a hunch that this is only the port for negotiation not payload data. 5222 is XMPP instant messaging.
I'm not sure you can successfully prioritize Skype because Skype hides on port 80 and port 433, which are the usual HTTP(S) ports.
Also see, https://gist.github.com/petedoyle/4129668

To add a USB flash-drive to expand the capacity of your router, follow: http://klseet.com/index.php/tl-mr...ap-extroot

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#211
Need help here....read through all of this and 90% of it is over my "technical" head....

I currently have a crappy Belkin N150 router...which has been serviceable but with noticeable drops. I have recently started using Directv Cinema Connection to watch the first two seasons of Homeland and have had major issues. Our ISP tests out between 10-16 Mbps on speedtest.net yet when I download an episode my wireless internet basically shuts down while the show is downloading. I have been through Directv and Comcrap (ISP provider) and had no luck other than both saying it is the others fault or the fault of my crappy wireless router.

We just need a serviceable wireless router to run a few laptops, ipods, touchpads (not all at same time) and occasionally download shows via Directv, Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc.

I will not venture into changing the firmware...and whatever else is being discussed here.

Simple question: Is this a decent router out of the box for the money for our needs?

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do you have any wireless ac equipment?
I doubt anyone does. Hey, at least you could sit around your house and tell visitors that you have ac WiFi even though no one can use it!
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Need help here....read through all of this and 90% of it is over my "technical" head....

I currently have a crappy Belkin N150 router...which has been serviceable but with noticeable drops. I have recently started using Directv Cinema Connection to watch the first two seasons of Homeland and have had major issues. Our ISP tests out between 10-16 Mbps on speedtest.net yet when I download an episode my wireless internet basically shuts down while the show is downloading. I have been through Directv and Comcrap (ISP provider) and had no luck other than both saying it is the others fault or the fault of my crappy wireless router.

We just need a serviceable wireless router to run a few laptops, ipods, touchpads (not all at same time) and occasionally download shows via Directv, Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc.

I will not venture into changing the firmware...and whatever else is being discussed here.

Simple question: Is this a decent router out of the box for the money for our needs?

Thanks again to the Slickdeal community. Over the years I have gained a lot and not been able to offer much but still appreciative (I have found several slickdeals only to find that I was beaten to the punch by a better slickdealer...hey, at least I search before 're-posting".)
yes, and sounds like you need to setup QOS. it's pretty easy to do. though it does sound and look complicated.
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I wanted to get some input from people on how this would compare to my current router. I'm currently running a Cisco/Linksys E3000 w/Tomato firmware. It seems alright for the most part but I have some network issues from time to time that I'm attributing to my router.

I'm currently running the following on 2.4GHz WiFi:
9 wireless IP cameras
2 wireless smart TVs
3 mobile phones
Laptop


Then wired I have:
Office PC w/Gigabit connection
2 Homerun HD Primes w/6 TV tuners
4 Xbox 360's acting as front-end devices connected via 10/100
Network printer shared via office PC that's always on for TV functionality


As you can see, I've got a fairly good demand for a home network. I do newsgroups/torrent stuff in addition to recording HD programming from the tuners constantly. I play games on LIVE and for the most part that all seems to hum along just fine. The issues I seem to have are when I try to stream larger size & higher bitrate MKV files from movies that I download. These files can be anywhere from 5-12gb depending on compression. I will get a stuttering video and have stripped all of my codecs and started fresh with a setup (by Shark007) that works flawlessly for my buddy who has pretty much the same setup (less router) on the same files. I tried going to a gigabit switch for the tuners & PC hoping that it would help with this issue thinking maybe the router was having issues with higher bitrate files handling them via the LAN ports but that didn't seem to change anything.


I also tend to drop wireless connection from time to time and get horribly slow traffic which I attribute to the 2.4GHz band being occupied by all my wireless devices as well as a few networks of my neighbors within range.


I'm kind of tired of third party firmware (ran DD-WRT on a few previous routers) and all the complications that come with flashing/running them and would prefer an out-of-the-box solution and it seems like this router is a pretty solid performer in that respect so I'm thinking about buying this one to test out and then using my other router as a wireless bridge to get better WiFi out to my shop or possibly even selling it on CL.


If you've made it this far, bless your heart! You might be more of a tech geek than me. lol


Thoughts?
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I wanted to get some input from people on how this would compare to my current router. I'm currently running a Cisco/Linksys E3000 w/Tomato firmware. It seems alright for the most part but I have some network issues from time to time that I'm attributing to my router.

I'm currently running the following on 2.4GHz WiFi:
9 wireless IP cameras
2 wireless smart TVs
3 mobile phones
Laptop


Then wired I have:
Office PC w/Gigabit connection
2 Homerun HD Primes w/6 TV tuners
4 Xbox 360's acting as front-end devices connected via 10/100
Network printer shared via office PC that's always on for TV functionality


As you can see, I've got a fairly good demand for a home network. I do newsgroups/torrent stuff in addition to recording HD programming from the tuners constantly. I play games on LIVE and for the most part that all seems to hum along just fine. The issues I seem to have are when I try to stream larger size & higher bitrate MKV files from movies that I download. These files can be anywhere from 5-12gb depending on compression. I will get a stuttering video and have stripped all of my codecs and started fresh with a setup (by Shark007) that works flawlessly for my buddy who has pretty much the same setup (less router) on the same files. I tried going to a gigabit switch for the tuners & PC hoping that it would help with this issue thinking maybe the router was having issues with higher bitrate files handling them via the LAN ports but that didn't seem to change anything.


I also tend to drop wireless connection from time to time and get horribly slow traffic which I attribute to the 2.4GHz band being occupied by all my wireless devices as well as a few networks of my neighbors within range.


I'm kind of tired of third party firmware (ran DD-WRT on a few previous routers) and all the complications that come with flashing/running them and would prefer an out-of-the-box solution and it seems like this router is a pretty solid performer in that respect so I'm thinking about buying this one to test out and then using my other router as a wireless bridge to get better WiFi out to my shop or possibly even selling it on CL.


If you've made it this far, bless your heart! You might be more of a tech geek than me. lol


Thoughts?
ouch, that's a lot of high demand wireless clients.

Are any of them capable of 5ghz? you might want to move them to the 5ghz. I'm guessing the 2.4ghz is getting swamped.
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Any chance the stock firmware can be modified to include features such as OpenVPN, QoS, transmit power, and stability fixes, etc., similar to Merlin Firmwares for the ASUS RT series?

That way, we can still get Hardware NAT plus all the goodies of 3rd party firmware.
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It's still alive. Add it to cart and then apply the coupon. Final price should be $53.99 minus the $15 mail-in rebate.
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ouch, that's a lot of high demand wireless clients.

Are any of them capable of 5ghz? you might want to move them to the 5ghz. I'm guessing the 2.4ghz is getting swamped.

Nope. The wireless really isn't the issue though. What I'm having issues with are the wired devices.
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Any chance the stock firmware can be modified to include features such as OpenVPN, QoS, transmit power, and stability fixes, etc., similar to Merlin Firmwares for the ASUS RT series?

That way, we can still get Hardware NAT plus all the goodies of 3rd party firmware.
I believe QoS, transmit power and stability fixes are all there in the firmware already according to the product specs [tp-link.com]
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Thanks!. Got myself a router Big Grin
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Nope. The wireless really isn't the issue though. What I'm having issues with are the wired devices.
You aren't pushing them limits of the wired network by any stretch. I would guess your bottle neck is your PC. Nothing you listed network wise should be an issue. I am streaming MKVs to my Xbox (which we all know is 100 base) and I've never had an issue. Do you have extra switches in the equation?
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You aren't pushing them limits of the wired network by any stretch. I would guess your bottle neck is your PC. Nothing you listed network wise should be an issue. I am streaming MKVs to my Xbox (which we all know is 100 base) and I've never had an issue. Do you have extra switches in the equation?

I realize my network is plenty sufficient and other than my PC to TV Tuners connection the rest is all 10/100. As I sometimes record several HD programs at once 100 would be insufficient for that leg but the rest is fine on 10/100 since the Xboxes can't connect any faster anyway.


As to the PC, it's a couple year old quad-core processor with 16gb of RAM running Win7 64bit. It doesn't seem to matter if I'm recording no programs or downloading any files or if I'm recording 4 HD programs while downloading larger HD video files ... perceived performance remains about the same. While streaming none of the cores exceeds 20% (highest at 18/19% and the other three will hover around 10%) and the RAM is always below 50% so I'm not thinking the PC is the problem.


Switches: There is a 4 channel gigabit switch I added next to the router (ground level, in the office) to take the tuners and PC off of the router LAN ports to see if that was the issue but it doesn't seem to affect anything so this is why I was thinking it may not be the router but I'm not sure what else it would be. I do have one other switch in the basement that feeds the rest of my home network and it's a D-Link 24 port 10/100 switch. It's been a rock solid unit but maybe it could use a power cycle or something since it's been on for about 7yrs straight. I don't feel like this is my issue either though but at this point I don't know what to suspect other than the router handling traffic.
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I don't feel like this is my issue either though but at this point I don't know what to suspect other than the router handling traffic.
Can you tell explain your network topology a bit more? Can you tell me every device your MKV hits before it goes on your screen. For example:
PC ---- switch ----- router ----- Xbox ------- TV

If you were just going from PC to the tuners, you wouldn't even touch your router since they are all on the same switch. I prefer to keep all my devices on the same network level (if you will). So I have a 24 port gigabit switch that everything plugs into so every situation would look like this:
source ---- switch ----- destination

I realize not everyone can do that. I would try putting your devices as close as you can (network-wise) and see what happens. Another suggestion would be to try a program like TVersity.
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Tempted, but I already have two active Netgear WNR3500L, plus a Linksys E2000 (for 5GHz on the main floor), all running Tomato. Also have a MoCA bridge setup for the top floor using an Actiontec MI424WR and a few dumb switches where needed. Oh, and I have an extra WNR3500L just in case...

This TP-Link would have faster routing and be able to do 2.4 and 5GHz with just one box. External antennas would probably give better coverage, but really, my setup is pretty stable like it is.

I think I have a router addition Wink
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