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Last Edited by The Debater March 20, 2013 at 03:33 PM
Update to latest stock firmware if not planning to use a 3rd party firmware (OpenWrt, DD-WRT). The latest stock version includes several important stability fixes:
http://www.tp-link.us/support/dow...version=V1

Note: flashing to a 3rd party firmware will void your warranty. Proceed with caution. If you follow the directions carefully, you will be fine.


Note also (unsupported 3rd party feature): 3rd party firmware does not currently support the hardware NAT feature of this router and probably will not any time soon. Flashing back to stock will restore this functionality.



This router is the cheapest router to get OpenWRT's newest branch, Attitude adjustment which implements CoDEL a new parameterless bufferbloat solution.

Bufferbloat = latency lag when network approaches full usage.

Example: VoIP, VidChat, gaming, latency sensitive apps start stuttering once that other dude in your house starts his NetFlix streaming. You cry and stop doing what you were doing until he's done. OR you can buy this and setup codel and be happy. ^^

Installing OpenWRT isn't necessarily quite as easy but it's straightforward. If you've installed dd-wrt or Tomato, I have confidence in you that you can install OpenWRT Wink
If you know someone who would probably struggle putting dd-wrt/tomato on a router... don't have them install this. They might mess it up.

Got mine and got OpenWRT installed, so far so good....

Here's what I did (Disclaimer, if you are technically challenged I do not suggest doing this or find the beta builds of DDWRT or Gargoyle):

Original link stopped working here's a new link, if it no longer works see below.
http://downloads.openwrt.org/atti...actory.bin

If that still doesn't work here's the path from the openwrt downloads page.
Attitude adjustment...
12.09-rc1...
Ar71xx...
Generic...
Openwrt-ar71xx-generic-tl-wdr3600-v1-squashfs-factory.bin

1.) Connect an ethernet cable to the LAN side of the router, navigate to 192.168.1.1 (It may be 192.168.0.1). Username is "admin" password is "admin".
2.) Rename your OpenWRT image to "factory.bin". Navigate to the firmware upgrade page and update the firmware with your OpenWRT image.
3.) Once upgrade is done, manually set your computer's IP to 192.168.1.X (whatever you want on 1.X subnet). this step wasn't necessary for me, I got an IP via DHCP right after flashing just fine
4.) Use Putty or some other program to telnet into 192.168.1.1. Type "passwd" at command prompt and set a root password. Type "exit" and get out of the telnet session.
5.) Connect an ethernet cable from your modem to the WAN (Internet) side of the router. The blue port. The router needs internet access for the next step.
5.) Reopen Putty and do an SSH session to the same IP, login as root with your new password. Type "opkg update" and return. Type "opkg install luci" and return. To enable Luci to start on boot, type "/etc/init.d/uhttpd enable" and return and then type "/etc/init.d/uhttpd start" and return. I would also install the Luci qos module, type "opkg install luci-app-qos" and return.
6.) You can now login to Luci via an HTTP interface at 192.168.1.1. Good luck with the rest, just make sure you enable your wifi interfaces and configure them.

NOTE: It has been widely reported that LuCi is already installed and running after the install of OpenWRT. After you do the initial upgrade try navigating to 192.168.1.1 to see if the LuCI interface is up and running. If it is not then you should run through the steps listed above.

7.) Optionally, you may change to a more user friendly interface by installing the bootstrap theme (now available from the software installation function built into the web interface).
Info about bootstrap theme: http://nut-bolt.nl/2012/openwrt-b...-for-luci/
To install: System --> Software --> search for bootstrap in available package --> click install
To activate theme go to: System ---> Language and Style ---> Design ---> Bootstrap Smilie

More info, including instructions for setting up Codel on OpenWrt: https://gist.github.com/petedoyle/4129668. (he does it in a bit more complicated way than necessary, if anyone has easier instructions, please update).
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Gargoyle install: (i.e. the easy way)
If you want the simple method and are ok with a simplified interface then download the gargoyle image here http://www.gargoyle-router.com/do...actory.bin and do the upgrade with that. It already has the GUI installed and running so you can go directly to 192.168.1.1.

Although very functional, Gargoyle is kind of ugly by default, so if you care about that sort of thing, install a theme Smilie

NOTE: Gargoyle does not have all the options that LuCi does, it was designed this way. It has QOS and Codel installed by default. If you don't know why you want all the options available in Luci, then you probably don't need them.
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Here are some other helpful links that I used: bimologist
DDNS Client: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto...using.luci
OpenVPN Setup: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/vpn.openvpn
Guest WLan: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/recipes/guest-wlan (non Luci) (I could not get the Luci directions to work)
Guest WLAN via Luci (does not work for some): https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=34092

Instructions for setting up QoS and CoDel for OpenWRT peeps:

Pulled from OpenWRT forums:
Quote :
First of all, the values to enter in the qos configuration are your maximal net bandwidth minus some headroom that qos needs to be effective (I hink this is no longer true for the post-backfire codel-based qos). Especially the upload value needs to be lower than the maximum you observed empirically.
I have a "up to" 16Mbit / 1Mbit line. The observed actual net rates are for me about 12Mbit and 950 kbit respectively. I hence entered this in the qos config
option download 12000
option upload 800
Since you cannot control downstream in a meaningful manner I left it at 12000, but upstream needs the headroom and through testing with simultaneous saturating upload traffic and pings I settled on 800.

I also have this stanza
onfig classify
option target "Express"
option ports "22,5190,5060,5222,19295,19301-19310
where the 19xxx ports are for Google voice and video chats, 5060 is supposed to be VoIP, but I have a hunch that this is only the port for negotiation not payload data. 5222 is XMPP instant messaging.
I'm not sure you can successfully prioritize Skype because Skype hides on port 80 and port 433, which are the usual HTTP(S) ports.
Also see, https://gist.github.com/petedoyle/4129668

To add a USB flash-drive to expand the capacity of your router, follow: http://klseet.com/index.php/tl-mr...ap-extroot

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wait. QOS for tomato is only enabled on the WAN port. how are they testing it on internal transfers?
I misspoke sorry. You are right, this is routing performance as smallnetbuilder tests (see http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/la...revision-3). This is actually a key point because virtually no one has a 20+ megaBYTE internet connection, at least at home. I pick that number because that is the routing speed of this router with QoS on using either Asus or Tomato, with Tomato being slightly faster and having a better QoS implementation.

QoS is essential if you push your internet connection speed with simultaneous VOIP (e.g. Vonage, Ooma, Skype), gaming, large high speed downloads, high bandwidth streaming (e.g. Netflix HD), and/or have a lot of users. Codel will help keep latency low for real-time applications (e.g. VOIP, gaming). Using any of these applications solo will be fine without QoS (as long as you have enough bandwidth).
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I received my router today. Based on initial test, its about 3 - 3.5 times faster than my previous router, a Linksys (Cisco) WRT120N router. This is using the stock firmware. So, this is very impressive for the price. Why all the hate for the stock firmware? Anyone know where the QoS setting is in settings?
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Just checked. It is oos.
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I received my router today. Based on initial test, its about 3 - 3.5 times faster than my previous router, a Linksys (Cisco) WRT120N router. This is using the stock firmware. So, this is very impressive for the price. Why all the hate for the stock firmware? Anyone know where the QoS setting is in settings?
Stock is fine on this router. Sometimes it definitely is not, but this is not one of those cases. 3rd party firmware just lets you do some other fancy things Smilie
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Any chance of this coming back in stock?
Came late to the party...
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I really hope so dealgeek007, I was almost late going to work so I wasn't able to buy earlier today. Now I wish I just would have went in late. Wink
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I received my router today. Based on initial test, its about 3 - 3.5 times faster than my previous router, a Linksys (Cisco) WRT120N router. This is using the stock firmware. So, this is very impressive for the price. Why all the hate for the stock firmware? Anyone know where the QoS setting is in settings?
Could you confirm if the router came with the latest stock firmware?

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Any chance of this coming back in stock?
Came late to the party...
Quote from night_51501 View Post :
I really hope so dealgeek007, I was almost late going to work so I wasn't able to buy earlier today. Now I wish I just would have went in late. Wink
Umm might be a couple of months before they are back on sale again. The last deal was around BF?
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Umm might be a couple of months before they are back on sale again. The last deal was around BF?
The 4300 was on sale on 02/05/13 and the 3600 was on sale on 01/11/13, which is when I bought it.
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The 4300 was on sale on 02/05/13 and the 3600 was on sale on 01/11/13, which is when I bought it.
any major difference between the two besides the extra antenna= better range on the 4300? Did it come with the latest firmware?
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any major difference between the two besides the extra antenna= better range on the 4300? Did it come with the latest firmware?
Higher max theoretical throughput its an N750 (300/450) vs N600 (300/300) firmware I got was latest DEC 2012 mine was $11 more than this one is.

Also different chips
AR9580 chip and the latter an AR9582 (4.1 watts vs 4.6 watts on)
WDR4300 supports three data streams on that frequency while the WDR3600 supports two
Read more: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/buying...z2LXujRToR


"N600, N750 and N900 all make the guarantee that simultaneous dual-band usage won't impede the performance of any single network. With N600, users get 300 Mb/s on both the 2.4 and 5 GHz bands. N750 ups the 5 GHz band to 450 Mb/s, and N900 gives you two simultaneous 450 Mb/s connections."
http://nerdblog.londondrugs.com/w...s-n-speeds

In realty as long as you are N600 or above you'll be happy... below is where you sacrifice by losing the simultaneous dual-band usage.

In most tests the 3600 performs the same as the 4300 (actually outperforms it in some tests at 2.4 GHz wheras the 4300 does better at 5Ghz)...but three antennas look cooler and it was at the time a better deal. My kids use 5GHz for games so for me the 4300 was a better choice.
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any major difference between the two besides the extra antenna= better range on the 4300? Did it come with the latest firmware?
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/3...-identical


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Higher max theoretical throughput its an N750 (300/450) vs N600 (300/300) firmware I got was latest DEC 2012 mine was $11 more than this one

Also different chips
AR9580 chip and the latter an AR9582 (4.1 watts vs 4.6 watts on)
WDR4300 supports three data streams on that frequency while the WDR3600 supports two
Read more: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/buying...z2LXujRToR


"N600, N750 and N900 all make the guarantee that simultaneous dual-band usage won't impede the performance of any single network. With N600, users get 300 Mb/s on both the 2.4 and 5 GHz bands. N750 ups the 5 GHz band to 450 Mb/s, and N900 gives you two simultaneous 450 Mb/s connections."
http://nerdblog.londondrugs.com/w...s-n-speeds

In realty as long as you are N600 or above you'll be happy... below is where you sacrifice by losing the simultaneous dual-band usage.

In most tests the 3600 performs the same as the 4300...but three antennas look cool
I never knew the "Nxxx" is the industry's standard when it comes to describing the specs of the routers. Cant wait to get mine today!
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any major difference between the two besides the extra antenna= better range on the 4300? Did it come with the latest firmware?
What Boltman said...

The extra antenna is for that extra bandwidth. 450Mbps is 75Mbps x 3 streams x 2 non overlapping channels. See this Cisco whitepaper [cisco.com]. Says you need the third antenna for the 3rd stream. They are even implementing a 4th antenna to boost the real world transmit distance for 450Mbps coverage, from like 15ft out to 30ft.

EDIT: Now that I think of it, that 3 streams/channel would explain why I see three distinct bars on my WiFi when I do a site survey.
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