Sony RX100 $568 with trade-in for any old/broken camera YMMV

I am getting this because it is for my wife to use it. She has gotten used to the quality that my DSLR produces (first Rebel XT, then the 5D Mark III with some nice lenses.) My DSLR is my first choice when I have time to plan and carry the gears (as I don't want to leave it in my car, etc.) For me, this camera should yield DSLR like PQ outdoor and in daylight and good at ISO 1600-3200 indoor shooting at WA (28mm-35mm.) At that range, not even my Rebel could do without flash. We will at least have a good camera with us when we are out.

The only other "pocketable" combo that I have though about is the Panasonic G series + the 20mm f1.7 or the 14-45 pancake zoom. Even then, it is still not as pocketable as the RX100.

The RX100 has a specific consumer target. If you fall into that category then it is a pretty good package. For the longest time I thought the S95/S100 will fill that role but I think that the RX100 will fit better.

Quote from MOkoFOko : That's doubtful. It's very likely that there won't be a replacement for about 2 years. I don't believe you'll see any meaningful drops until the other camera manufacturers launch some real competition (RX100 is sitting alone at the top--G1x doesn't count). It'll be a while yet. I got mine used for $475, and couldn't be happier with it.

Depending on the condition that is a slick price for the Camera, nice deal. I guess I got to search harder for better deal. Hopefully Competition will release something to help drive prices down or something that trumps it.

Quote from worthmining : DoF is exactly my point. with the small CMOS of lx7, there isn't any DoF worth mentioning. Even RX100 at f/1.8 DoF is pathetic but there is some at least. Have you heard of the equivalent zoom factor, read this article http://www.geekytalk.snaga.net/20...se-of.html In other words, the lx7 DoF you get on it's f/1.4 for example is not the same as a f/1.4 on RX100, or DSLR of ASPC or full frame. Which is why talking about DoF on small CMOS is laughable. Still RX100's CMOS is at least bigger than lx7's, so it's DoF is better at the same aperture. This is why I said the larger aperture on compac is primarily used for lighting, by increasing iso, that's about the only benefit you get from it, whereas large CMOS also increases the iso. Comparing rx100 to a lx7 shows the the bigger CMOS contributed more than the difference of the aperture lx7 who's largest aperture is larger than than rx100's, as reflected in the price gap between these two P&S.

No, it wasn't. You specifically spoke about gathering light. DoF is a completely separate matter--the other side of the coin. Cameras with smaller sensors are capable of creating DoF effects. Regarding Sensor size and DoF, it boils down to crop factors. Take an APS-H and FF body, same lens, crop the FF to match the FoV, and you've got the exact same DoF.

You can talk about the theoretical all you like, but I've actually compared the two and at the long end FLs the LX7 wins (in any case, it's close). Zooming the RX100 out and then cropping to match the FoV creates its own problems--LX7 wins this overall. Obviously, the RX100 wins at 28mm.

If you want the best image quality out of a p&s camera, then get this. Don't listen to all these people saying that you might as well get a dslr. It's an even bigger waste of money when most people shoot in auto mode with the kit lens anyways.

Quote from easypz : Try putting that combo in your pocket. This camera is the best image quality in its form factor category. Comparing it to even a micro 4/3 system is inappropriate.

I have a C3. That w/the 16mm pancake is my "going out at night" camera. It easily slips in my sport coat pocket and is unatrusive sitting at a dinner table or bar.

No, it won't fit in my jeans back pocket, but think you are pushing putting this in your back pocket at 1.40" thick.

Edit, I just checked a web site. The c3 w/16mm is not as thick as the rx100. Point? Neither are going in your jeans pocket. So again, while the RX100 gets great reviews and may very well be among the best pic quality in this type of camera, I'd have to really question where it fits in the real world. Again a mirrorless with a pancake lens gets pretty darn close.

So if I want excellent quality pictures and do not want to lug around an SLR, is this the best option? Is the sensor size in the S100 comparable?

All I've learned from this thread so far is that there are a lot of people with very strong opinions and no idea what they're talking about.

Quote from MOkoFOko : What are you talking about? This is $550, normally $650. Are you saying this camera SHOULD be priced at around $350?

Semantics. But of course you knew what I meant.

Quote from TheOldDude : This camera is a good deal at the $350 price range (somewhere just above top end PnS).

I've had my eye on a Rolex Submariner. It's priced at $8500, but it would be a good deal at the $1200 price range (somewhere just about the top end quartz Citizen).

Quote from TheOldDude : Semantics. But of course you knew what I meant.

Hard to tell sometimes--a number of people here are bat-S#*@ crazy

seems like a lot of money for a compact camera

Quote from boxbot : So if I want excellent quality pictures and do not want to lug around an SLR, is this the best option? Is the sensor size in the S100 comparable? All I've learned from this thread so far is that there are a lot of people with very strong opinions and no idea what they're talking about.

I think this camera is a little bigger than the S100 but with a much bigger sensor. Also about $200 more with this deal.

Quote from boxbot : I've had my eye on a Rolex Submariner. It's priced at $8500, but it would be a good deal at the $1200 price range (somewhere just about the top end quartz Citizen).

GMT master ii or bust

Quote from boxbot : I've had my eye on a Rolex Submariner. It's priced at $8500, but it would be a good deal at the $1200 price range (somewhere just about the top end quartz Citizen).

Fail. A submariner has about $960 in gold. Maybe $5 in gold in the RX-100. Really dumb analogy but thanks for sharing.

Quote from dQn : GMT master ii or bust

Quote from johnnytux : I think this camera is a little bigger than the S100 but with a much bigger sensor. Also about $200 more with this deal.

Rx100 sensor area is larger by a factor of about 3x. The rx100 definitely is thicker than the s100, but it's not a game-changer. The s100 is pretty regularly on sale for around $250, so the difference really is closer to $300-$400. I bought an s100 replacement in January for $225, and it was $250 less than 2 weeks ago--may still be for all I know.

Yup, still currently $250:
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Power...canon+s100