$579.99 + Tax & Free Shipping TC-P50UT50 1080P 3D Panasonic Plasma @ EPP

Quote from Gdog2004 : There IS no 4 year old version of this TV. Panasonic changes their TV's every year and the anti glare coating changes as well, year to year, model to model. I am talking about THIS TV. There are many plasmas that are just fine in bright light, I have a few of them myself, (including a 4 year old P42S10 which is fine in the sun) . This particular model is glarey--fact.

You don't get it do you... 6 years ago (time flies, thought the tv was newer) plasma tvs had NO anti-glare coating. My model is TH-50PX60U, feel free to research.

And take note, I have two plasmas, one I just bought (Samsung 43) and it will be going back due to glare issues in our bedroom. In this case the bedroom windows are on the opposite wall of the TV, producing glare. Even then it's only mildly distracting, my wife thinks I'm crazy actually.

They cancelled my order, Why??

Quote from bobbymac746 : They cancelled my order, Why??

Because you are a bad boy

Quote from ChrisP8282 : You don't get it do you... 6 years ago (time flies, thought the tv was newer) plasma tvs had NO anti-glare coating. My model is TH-50PX60U, feel free to research. And take note, I have two plasmas, one I just bought (Samsung 43) and it will be going back due to glare issues in our bedroom. In this case the bedroom windows are on the opposite wall of the TV, producing glare. Even then it's only mildly distracting, my wife thinks I'm crazy actually.

Eye of the beholder I guess. Because YOU don't see it/choose to ignore it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Quote from Gdog2004 : Eye of the beholder I guess. Because YOU don't see it/choose to ignore it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Sigh... This isn't some subjective issue, it's called physics. When light is reflected off of a sheet of glass it will reflect at an inverse of the incoming angle. Every plasma has glare issues if sitting at the right spot in the room. I'm merely providing insight that having many windows in a room should not be the deciding factor on whether to own a plasma.

And for the third time: Because of the laws of physics, windows at roughly a 90 degree angle to the TV (or behind it obviously) will not create visible glare when viewing it from a normal viewing distance/angle. This is NOT my personal opinion, this is hard fact.

If you can take a mirror of similar size and place it where the TV is, sit in the normal viewing spot and not see a window or bright light source in the reflection, you will not have glare issues. End of discussion.

Quote from ChrisP8282 : You don't get it do you... 6 years ago (time flies, thought the tv was newer) plasma tvs had NO anti-glare coating. My model is TH-50PX60U, feel free to research. And take note, I have two plasmas, one I just bought (Samsung 43) and it will be going back due to glare issues in our bedroom. In this case the bedroom windows are on the opposite wall of the TV, producing glare. Even then it's only mildly distracting, my wife thinks I'm crazy actually.

Quote from ChrisP8282 : Sigh... This isn't some subjective issue, it's called physics. When light is reflected off of a sheet of glass it will reflect at an inverse of the incoming angle. Every plasma has glare issues if sitting at the right spot in the room. I'm merely providing insight that having many windows in a room should not be the deciding factor on whether to own a plasma. And for the third time: Because of the laws of physics, windows at roughly a 90 degree angle to the TV (or behind it obviously) will not create visible glare when viewing it from a normal viewing distance/angle. This is NOT my personal opinion, this is hard fact. If you can take a mirror of similar size and place it where the TV is, sit in the normal viewing spot and not see a window or bright light source in the reflection, you will not have glare issues. End of discussion.

OK so let me just blow your factual theory to crap. Go into best buy. Look at a low end panasonic plasma and then look at a higher end model (ST or higher). Do a comparison. You tell me if a glare filter then doesn't make a difference.

Quote from Gdog2004 : OK so let me just blow your factual theory to crap. Go into best buy. Look at a low end panasonic plasma and then look at a higher end model (ST or higher). Do a comparison. You tell me if a glare filter then doesn't make a difference.

He would do that only if he wasn't a theoretical physicist

Quote from ChrisP8282 : Oh come on people, I have a the 4 year old version of this plasma in a room with 12 feet wide by 24 feet tall bank of windows... and IT'S FINE. The key is the windows are at a 90 degree angle to the tv. As long as you don't sit directly between the light source and the tv there is zero glare and having plasma is a non-issue.

Quote from Gdog2004 : There IS no 4 year old version of this TV. Panasonic changes their TV's every year and the anti glare coating changes as well, year to year, model to model. I am talking about THIS TV. There are many plasmas that are just fine in bright light, I have a few of them myself, (including a 4 year old P42S10 which is fine in the sun) . This particular model is glarey--fact.

Quote from ChrisP8282 : You don't get it do you... 6 years ago (time flies, thought the tv was newer) plasma tvs had NO anti-glare coating. My model is TH-50PX60U, feel free to research. And take note, I have two plasmas, one I just bought (Samsung 43) and it will be going back due to glare issues in our bedroom. In this case the bedroom windows are on the opposite wall of the TV, producing glare. Even then it's only mildly distracting, my wife thinks I'm crazy actually.

Gdog has a point ..4 year old Plasmas/LCDs did not have as glossy finish as today's TVs. They had more matte finish. If you dont have ambient light control, buy a higher end with better glare treatment

Quote from Gdog2004 : OK so let me just blow your factual theory to crap. Go into best buy. Look at a low end panasonic plasma and then look at a higher end model (ST or higher). Do a comparison. You tell me if a glare filter then doesn't make a difference.

I never said anti-glare coating doesn't help reduce the glare. It does and a higher end plasma with a better anti-glare coating would perform better in instances where glare exists. That being said, depending on the location of the light source, television and viewing location the anti-glare coating is irrelevant.

And best buy is a horrific place to look at plasmas. The bright white fluorescent lights 30 feet in the air are at exactly the right angle to maximize glare.

I actually own two seperate plasmas and neither have anti-glare coating on them. Do you own any plasmas?

Quote from ChrisP8282 : I never said anti-glare coating doesn't help reduce the glare. It does and a higher end plasma with a better anti-glare coating would perform better in instances where glare exists. That being said, depending on the location of the light source, television and viewing location the anti-glare coating is irrelevant. And best buy is a horrific place to look at plasmas. The bright white fluorescent lights 30 feet in the air are at exactly the right angle to maximize glare. I actually own two seperate plasmas and neither have anti-glare coating on them. Do you own any plasmas?

Yep 2 of em. I mentioned that in my first post. The plasmas you own are not relevant to this discussion. The low end panasonics (like the one discussed here) have glare issues. The mid to higher end ones don't. For panasonic at least. End of story.

seems they are out of stock, had my order cancelled this morning

Picked up the "Panasonic TC-P50U50 VIERA 50-inch Class U50 Series Full HD Plasma HDTV" was
$ 799 -200 =599 - 10% and FREE shipping using the Dell store instead. I did get it my cart and called Dell for the 10 percent and free shipping. Not bad for us as we are not big into 3D. This deal was hard to find elsewhere.

Quote from Gentle_Touch : If you are watching movies, not games or computering. Nothing now beats a plasma, not lcd, led etc.. Wish it was at least 60." Not sure with the specs on this model, but a built in tuner with multiple USB 2.0-3.0, HDMI would be nice too. Good price..wait for price drop on the 60"s.

Best for watching media via computer?

Quote from ChrisP8282 : And best buy is a horrific place to look at plasmas. The bright white fluorescent lights 30 feet in the air are at exactly the right angle to maximize glare. I actually own two seperate plasmas and neither have anti-glare coating on them. Do you own any plasmas?

Ain't that the truth. If it weren't for big box stores with crazy fluorescent lighting, most people would probably buy plasma over LCD. They have all those LCDs at max brightness to make them pop. You'd seer your retina's with the brightness cranked that high at home :p

I agree with you, though. I have a 5 year old Panasonic plasma (it was their low end at the time) without anti-glare. It's just fine. The newer non-anti-glare sets aren't more reflective than they used to be (I don't know what kind of physics some people are using to come to the conclusion that they made glass more reflective), it's just that modern ant-glare treatments are a hundred times better than they used to be. I've got a huge sliding glass door in my livingroom and it never really becomes an issue. When it does (in the middle of the afternoon), I have two options. Sit directly in front of the screen so the light isn't reflected at me or close the blinds. Either way, there's a solution to the problem.