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Sorry, I thought the implications would be obvious from the articles.. and I really didn't want to get into it. Still don't.

The subject of discussion was where it is legal to carry what sort of pocketknife, and in particular it was mentioned that some of the laws in some places might not be strictly enforced. That struck me as a potentially dangerous direction in which to start making assumptions, based on what I'd been reading.

Read the articles. It seems that now you can be searched in railroad stations, subway stations, bus stations, ferryboat landings, on the highways and maybe even at football games, anytime, no warrant, no Probable Cause required.

When this happens to you, it is not yet clear who's rules apply to the situation. Some insist (so far) that if you are in compliance with state and local laws in carrying a given pocketknife, then that's all there is to it.. but what is the basis of that assumption? That is certainly not the case if you're getting on a plane. In that case it does not matter a whit what the state and local laws are- and this is that same agency, now on the road and showing up anywhere without warning to enforce their rules, not the laws.

These are the folks that make the ever-changing and poorly documented rules that seem to supersede Federal, State and local laws and the Constitution of the United States in all air terminals. The point of those articles is that they now maintain that their authority is in NO WAY limited to air terminals, but covers all transportation. ALL transportation... and football games. What are the limits? Are there limits?

Maybe my perspective is biased because I was pulled off of an ocean liner for having a small Leatherman tool (a Leatherman "Juice") in my "checked" luggage, in a shaving kit inside a suitcase. I was very publicly paged by name over the PA system and told to report to security, then publicly escorted off the ship by security to the luggage x-ray station ashore, then watched over while I dug it out of my shaving kit and surrendered it... and then the security guy who escorted me off had to surrender HIS Leatherman tool, he couldn't carry his aboard either.

That was under the jurisdiction of this same agency. Once we got offshore and into international waters, out of their jurisdiction of this agency, the Leatherman was returned to me on-board. It was made clear to me that I could take it ashore (we had a lot of active shore excursions in various environments scheduled for that voyage, which is why I wanted it in the first place) and that I could have it and even carry it while aboard (where I didn't need it), no problem- but there was no way I would ever be permitted to carry it back on board, I would have to surrender it to security after every shore excursion and the Captain would then have to authorize its return to me once we were back in international waters, each time.

Now we seem to have already begun to apply this same sort of "logic" to pretty much every space in the United State outside of our own homes.

We have had a certain understanding of the laws in this country and how they're created and changed for hundreds of years, but that has nothing at all to do with the way that the new rules are being created. It does not seem at all clear to me that just being in compliance with the laws is any protection at all anymore.

Remember the lesson that so many have learned in the airports- they don't just keep you from getting on the plane with whatever it is, you can't just apologize and back up, put it back in the car, send it to yourself in the mail, or even just decline to get on the plane... whatever it is, it is taken away from you right there, no discussion, no recourse, no appeal, no compensation... tossed in a bin and later sold by that same agency on Internet auction sites. That's a big step beyond just keeping the objects off the plane.

We've talked here about carrying $300 knives. Be careful out there, someday you could have a surprise encounter and later watch while your $300 knife is sold on-line, and not by you. I don't even want to think about how it could go if you're NOT in compliance with the law.

Sorry, I thought the implications would be obvious from the articles.. and I really didn't want to get into it. Still don't.

The subject of discussion was where it is legal to carry what sort of pocketknife, and in particular it was mentioned that some of the laws in some places might not be strictly enforced. That struck me as a potentially dangerous direction in which to start making assumptions, based on what I'd been reading.

Read the articles. It seems that now you can be searched in railroad stations, subway stations, bus stations, ferryboat landings, on the highways and maybe even at football games, anytime, no warrant, no Probable Cause required.

When this happens to you, it is not yet clear who's rules apply to the situation. Some insist (so far) that if you are in compliance with state and local laws in carrying a given pocketknife, then that's all there is to it.. but what is the basis of that assumption? That is certainly not the case if you're getting on a plane. In that case it does not matter a whit what the state and local laws are- and this is that same agency, now on the road and showing up anywhere without warning to enforce their rules, not the laws.

These are the folks that make the ever-changing and poorly documented rules that seem to supersede Federal, State and local laws and the Constitution of the United States in all air terminals. The point of those articles is that they now maintain that their authority is in NO WAY limited to air terminals, but covers all transportation. ALL transportation... and football games. What are the limits? Are there limits?

Maybe my perspective is biased because I was pulled off of an ocean liner for having a small Leatherman tool (a Leatherman "Juice") in my "checked" luggage, in a shaving kit inside a suitcase. I was very publicly paged by name over the PA system and told to report to security, then publicly escorted off the ship by security to the luggage x-ray station ashore, then watched over while I dug it out of my shaving kit and surrendered it... and then the security guy who escorted me off had to surrender HIS Leatherman tool, he couldn't carry his aboard either.

That was under the jurisdiction of this same agency. Once we got offshore and into international waters, out of their jurisdiction of this agency, the Leatherman was returned to me on-board. It was made clear to me that I could take it ashore (we had a lot of active shore excursions in various environments scheduled for that voyage, which is why I wanted it in the first place) and that I could have it and even carry it while aboard (where I didn't need it), no problem- but there was no way I would ever be permitted to carry it back on board, I would have to surrender it to security after every shore excursion and the Captain would then have to authorize its return to me once we were back in international waters, each time.

Now we seem to have already begun to apply this same sort of "logic" to pretty much every space in the United State outside of our own homes.

We have had a certain understanding of the laws in this country and how they're created and changed for hundreds of years, but that has nothing at all to do with the way that the new rules are being created. It does not seem at all clear to me that just being in compliance with the laws is any protection at all anymore.

Remember the lesson that so many have learned in the airports- they don't just keep you from getting on the plane with whatever it is, you can't just apologize and back up, put it back in the car, send it to yourself in the mail, or even just decline to get on the plane... whatever it is, it is taken away from you right there, no discussion, no recourse, no appeal, no compensation... tossed in a bin and later sold by that same agency on Internet auction sites. That's a big step beyond just keeping the objects off the plane.

We've talked here about carrying $300 knives. Be careful out there, someday you could have a surprise encounter and later watch while your $300 knife is sold on-line, and not by you. I don't even want to think about how it could go if you're NOT in compliance with the law.

Hey, while there are some knife enthusiasts are in the thread, could you guys recommend a good fixed blade knife for camping/hiking? I'm looking for something in 6-8" that can handle braches/brush and some digging. I'd prefer a double edged or tanto tipped. I didn't really see any I liked in the sale list unfortunately.

That sucks big time! It's one thing to confiscate something on one's person or.carry on, but to do it out of one's stowed away luggage would.have me up in arms, so to sleek. Granted, people.don't have access to their luggage while in transit as they do on a ship, it still seem s excessive. It doesn't take a McGuyver to make a shiv more deadly than a leatherman or a pocket knife with the plethora of items on an ocean liner. I'd have to pop a couple xanax before I got on a ship or plane. I do assume people can stow away a pocket knife in their luggage if they are flying? Hope your trip was still enjoyable despite it's difficulties! I need a drink now. LoL. I'd buy your next round too.

what are some practical uses for a knife like this? sorry this is all new to me.

Hey, while there are some knife enthusiasts are in the thread, could you guys recommend a good fixed blade knife for camping/hiking? I'm looking for something in 6-8" that can handle braches/brush and some digging. I'd prefer a double edged or tanto tipped. I didn't really see any I liked in the sale list unfortunately.

Hey guys,

I'm trying to get the Camp 10 knife but I can't seem to get the discount applied.

http://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-107...22&sr=1-12

It shows up in the listings for the $10 off $50 promotion, but the discount won't show. I've tried:

- Tried to get two of them in one order.
- Tried to get another eligible Kershaw knife to push my order over $50.

The most I can do is get a $3.00 discount when I order the Prime Eligible listing for the Camp 10 when ordering two. Help is appreciated!