I don't get how any of these drives could be worth that money. There was a new Kingston 120GB for $63 without rebate this week. Y'all go ahead and have fun with your Refurbished SSDs. To me, that's like buying a refurbished toothbrush.
I think I paid $65 AR for my new OCZ agility 3 120gb and $139.99 for my new Intel 330 240gb last year, so these prices aren't great. On the other hand, prices have gone up slightly.
I also think, if looking at the 204 to 256 gb range, that I would rather get the Samsung 840 and its TLC for $149.99 instead of touching any of these.
That being said, I suspect a lot of the refurbs are returns due sf-2281 firmware issues, not actual defects; I remember when I got my OCZ agility 3 having to make sure it came with the most recent firmware. Bad initial firmware + return might lead to relatively unused refurbs with updated firmware.
1. All drives, regardless of mfg, are capable of failing at any time.
2. Updated firmware across the entire Agility and Vertex lines are showing outstanding reliability.
3. OCZ management has changed their warranty / return process and it is getting rave reviews from customers that have encountered issues.
4. I did not need a link, "corrected" - it was done because direct linking was coming back with inconsistent results and doing it as posted in the OP gives visibility to everything available.
I'm fairly confident that after nearly a dozen years here, I can accurately post a direct link.
If they have such great drives they wouldn't constantly be selling refurbs.
Buy an 840 on sale for 10-30% more and save yourself the $5 rma. Yes, OCZ has a great rma process, but doesn't make up for quality issues. Once quality is labeled bad it is going to take more than a few months to fix in both reality and perception.
That said, would be a good value adder to an ebay laptop
1600 Total SSD's handled between two jobs. Plextor M3s, M5s, Intel 320s, Crucial M550/MX100, and Samsung 470/830/840/850s are reliable (1 intel 8MB bug failure, two M5s failures). 3 M4 errors, 1 failure among ~75 of them. Sandforce controlled drives, 13 RMAs among ~200 units.
1. Immediately after purchase, download the bootable iso OCZ website
2. Wipe ssd with secure erase
3. Next, flash with latest firmware (even if it already has it)
4. Run a few ssd benchmarks repeatedly for a few hrs.
5. Run Prime95 "blend" for a 24 hrs.
6. Backup OS image, and reimage it every 6 months, repeat process.
1. Update the firmware if it is not yet up-to-date.
2. Look at the drive data if you want to know the condition of the NAND.
3. Don't run benchmarks.
4. Be sure to back up your data.
That poster's recipe is just going to wear down the NAND for no reason.
buy failed and repaired drives for cheap to store your data on! no thx
Because of the low write amplification of the Sandforce controller, the NAND on the 240 GB models will probably last longer than a new TLC Samsung drive. If any of the NAND was faulty, OCZ would have replaced that chip. The rest of the NAND would more than likely be good. What is more probable is that the now resolved firmware bugs were the main source of these drives.
I'm personally 0/2 on OCZ Vertex 2s, they both died within 3 months of purchase, and also saw a dead Agility 2. The Vertex 3 and 4s are much more reliable.... but refurbished really doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
buy failed and repaired drives for cheap to store your data on! no thx
Do people really store mission critical data on a single SSD drive?!
Most of my data I could survive without but just in case my main rig has everything backed up to a local WD green drive and then about once a month I backup everything to my media/file server (looking to automate this) which in turn replicates the data to other hard drives in the server. I am not paranoid about losing my data at all but it is just so easy to back up now days.
If we're talking about 25nm with 3,000 p/e cycles the number drops to 108,000 days. Now this assumes perfect wear leveling and no write amplification. The best SSDs don't average more than 10x for write amplification, in fact they're considerably less. The worst Sandforce write amplification we saw was around 0.6x.
In this particular drive the user (who happened to be me) wrote 1900GB to the drive (roughly 7.7GB per day over 8 months) and the SF-1200 controller in turn threw away 800GB and only wrote 1100GB to the flash.
Over this period of time I used only 10 cycles of flash (it was a 120GB drive) out of a minimum of 3000 available p/e cycles. In eight months I only used 1/300th of the lifespan of the drive.
The other drives we had deployed internally are even healthier. It turns out I'm a bit of a write hog.
Paired with a decent SSD controller, write lifespan is a non-issue. Note that I only fold Intel, Crucial/Micron/Marvell and SandForce into this category. Write amplification goes up by up to an order of magnitude with the cheaper controllers.
This is about first-generation Sandforce (Vertex 2) with 25nm NAND. The drives in this deal use 25nm NAND and Sandforce, so the info is relevant.
Samsung's TLC NAND is only rated for 750 cycles. So, compared with a lower write amplification controller (Sandforce) and MLC NAND at 25nm, you're generally not going to be concerned about NAND lifespan in a desktop or laptop.
If you receive burnt-out server NAND the drive will very likely fail within the 180 period. I also doubt that OCZ would sell even a refurb with that NAND.
Just about every OCZ product I've used sucked. I had several SSD's crap out due to bad firmware. When they did, and the bad firmware was common knowledge, OCZ decided to stick me with sending it in for 'repair' at my own cost. I declined and waited for better firmware, then had one of the drives just suddenly turn bog slow and nothing OCZ came up with could restore it to original performance. "Not our problem" was basically the answer...drive worked, just slowed than an HDD. I also had two OCZ power supplies that didn't work properly in extremely basic configurations, and ocz finally determined that they were "incompatible" with a current z68/i3 machine.
Some of their hardware was really problematic, like the octane series. Firmware wasn't the issue there.
So first off, OCZ is a problem vendor. Bad reviews, bad experiences and I've had several. "Refurbished" flash is a bad idea, since there isn't much to refurbish on these that would be economically feasible...they're probably used with the latest firmware flashed on them. Next, these prices aren't that great. I think you can beat them on a new product.
Avoid, avoid, avoid.
I'd say I'm surprised this made FP, since the deal isn't very good even if the drives are new...but from what I've seen about 20-30% of FP deals stink.
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