White House caught lying about sequestration

Please provide evidence that all those entities you mentioned testified that Iraq was producing WMD or had deployable stockpiles.

Cause I only remember Powell making that presentation at the UN.

Saying that Iraq was a threat is not equivalent to saying he had stockpiles of deployable WMD.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

I asked the question if I needed to link (again) to the democrat quotes about Iraq...you didn't answer directly, but your response is a clear answer that yes, I do, even though this has been presented on TP many times before...but the leftists lie about Bush lying keeps being repeated by those who are either unaware of history, or know very well that they are lying, but keep repeating it simply because it achieves a political agenda....so here it is...again

http://www.davidstuff.com/politic...quotes.htm

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/st...inton.html

Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people.

And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.

Fail. You only provided quotes from US politicians. Nothing from officials of foreign governments you asserted provided backup.

And few if any of your quotes are definitive declarations that Iraq had deployable WMD stockpiles.

The problem is, pols are not official intelligence sources. They only tell you what they want you to believe, not the totality of what the intelligence agencies know.

Which is a major reason no deployable WMD were found in Iraq.



Note that "weapons programs" are not weapons, and the future tense of "will develop."

Yes, we waited 5 years. ....

Fail. You only provided quotes from US politicians. Nothing from officials of foreign governments you asserted provided backup.

here are some more, just for your pleasure.
http://www.rightwingnews.com/quot...rsion-3-0/

as for the other countries, again, it has been done to death on TP and doesn't need to be rehashed from scratch. Intelligence from several countries were confident that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before 2003m including the United States, Canada, France, the United Nations, the United Kingdom, Germany, Spain, Australia, Japan, even Iran...but the differences among them was on how to deal with it (wait longer (for what), more UN sanctions (10 years of them have already failed), invade, etc)

If it was true that Bush lied, which would be an impeachable offense, the democrat controlled congress under Pelosi, in the charged political atmosphere, would have impeached him immediately...but they did not...why? because they have no evidence

The fact that the collected intelligence turned out to be unreliable does not mean there were lies involved, unless you are pushing a conspiracy theory involving at least half a dozen countries.

BTW, WMD was found in Iraq, but not in large quantities...and we STILL don't know what was in those truck convoys going to Syria before the war started. Now that we know Syria has chemical and biological weapons, being a relatively poor country, brings up the serious possibility that the WMD in syria now is, at least partially, iraq's old wmd's

“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
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“Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production.” — Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

the only lie here is that Bush lied. Unless, of course, you are also claiming that the UN lied, the UK lied, France lied, Germany lied, and Russia lied since they all reached the same conclusions about Iraq.

Do I need to link again to the quotes of Hillary, Bill Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and numerous other democrats, also saying Saddam and Iraq are a threat?

now all of a sudden all of that is swept under the rug, and only Bush is left being the liar?

Sorry...that slanderous lie and outright propaganda might work in the lefty bubble and lefty blogs that all you circle-jerk group-think Bush haters surround yourselves with....but fantasy and selective rewriting of history does not equal reality.

Really? The Bush Administrations dishonesty about Iraq lead us to a war which caused the deaths of thousands of american soldiers. Name 1 thing Obama did that you consider worse than that?

Fail. You only provided quotes from US politicians. Nothing from officials of foreign governments you asserted provided backup.

And few if any of your quotes are definitive declarations that Iraq had deployable WMD stockpiles.

The problem is, pols are not official intelligence sources. They only tell you what they want you to believe, not the totality of what the intelligence agencies know.

Which is a major reason no deployable WMD were found in Iraq.

Note that "weapons programs" are not weapons, and the future tense of "will develop."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blo..._blog.html

“Starting tomorrow everybody here, all the folks who are cleaning the floors at the Capitol. Now that Congress has left, somebody’s going to be vacuuming and cleaning those floors and throwing out the garbage. They’re going to have less pay. The janitors, the security guards, they just got a pay cut, and they’ve got to figure out how to manage that. That’s real.”



The Pinocchio Test

Obama’s remarks continue the administration’s pattern of overstating the potential impact of the sequester, which we have explored this week. Obama may have been correct about pay cuts suffered by the Capitol police but the bulk of the president’s comments referred to janitors — the people who are “going to vacuuming and cleaning those floors and throwing out the garbage.”

Name 1 thing Obama did that you consider worse than that?

Oh, I see...if the weapons were "deployable" then, well, you'd be all for removing Saddam...LMAO!

Bush was hardly alone id declaring that Saddam has wmds. Hell, the UN had for years declared that Saddam wmds. Repeated inspections reports noted that tons of chemicals and bio-agents were missing and that munitions to deliver these were unaccounted for.

Do we really have to relive this? Are you that willfully ignorant?

Oh my goodness....Iraq never admitted to weaponzing bio-agents? The UN never shipped weapons-grade uranium from Iraq to Russia? None of this ever happened?

NO anthrax or VX, right? Hans Bliz never declared that he and his teams could not verfify Iraq's declarations, right?

Are you serious?

Yes, and no. I just don't take weasel words as evidence of what the CIA actually knew.

Not that I know of.

The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed. Iraq has declared that it only produced VX on a pilot scale, just a few tons, and that the quality was poor and the product unstable.

Consequently, it was said that the agent was never weaponized.

Iraq said that the small quantity of [the] agent remaining after the Gulf War was unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.

UNMOVIC, however, has information that conflicts with this account. There are indications that Iraq had worked on the problem of purity and stabilization and that more had been achieved than has been declared. Indeed, even one of the documents provided by Iraq indicates that the purity of the agent, at least in laboratory production, was higher than declared.

There are also indications that the agent was weaponized. In addition, there are questions to be answered concerning the fate of the VX precursor chemicals, which Iraq states were lost during bombing in the Gulf War or were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq.

I turn to biological weapons. I mention the issue of anthrax to the council on previous occasions, and I come back to it as it is an important one. Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 liters of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.

Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.

There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared and that at least some of this was retained over the declared destruction date. It might still exist.

Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was indeed destroyed in 1991.

Despite Iraqi concealment efforts, weapons inspectors developed what they claimed was a “technically coherent picture” of Iraq’s entire nuclear weapons program.
By February 1994, the IAEA finished a complete accounting of and removal of all weapon-usable nuclear material from Iraq, including the nearly 50 kilograms of highly enriched uranium that the IAEA reported Iraq had imported from France and the former Soviet Union.
The IAEA supervised or verified the destruction of all known facilities and specialized equipment used in Iraq’s nuclear weapons program.

Absolutely. "Not verified" is not positive evidence.

Wow, just wow!!

I mean, come one...this is well-established stuff here. Lets see what Hans Blix (you know who he is, right? The UN weapons inspector...) had to say in his report to the UN in 2003, years after Iraq was supposed to have disarmed and complied fully with an inspections regime that it acquiesced to to end the first Gulf War [cnn.com]:





Chronology of inspections: [armscontrol.org]



Granted, this info immediately above was from the mid-90s. The point of presenting it, though, is to demonstrate that everyone knew that Iraq had a very active wmd program, including a nuke weapons program.




Sorry, but the burden was not on the United States to verify anything. The burden was absolutely on Iraq to account for its weapons, weapons systems, and weapons programs. It failed repeatedly to as we see both Blix & El Baradei reporting for years.

The burden was wholly on Iraq. If you do not now this, just admit it. If you did know this and yet maintain this charade that the US was on the hook for proving something, well, now you're just being dishonest.

Iraq acknowledged that it has these weapons, systems, and programs...the inspections regime was established to verify disarmament and that programs were completely dismantled. If you want the specific UN resolutions requiring this, I'll get them for you, but sheesh, I thought that since you were participating in this discussion you'd have some idea of what was happening.

…We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.