Government steals from us?

The Speaker of the House says they do.

Quote : House Speaker John Boehner said he favors pushing for more spending cuts instead of new revenues to get the federal budget under control. “You’re talking about how much — you’re asking a question, how much more money do we want to steal from the American people to fund more government? I’m for no more,” he said.

We want to steal.

http://nation.foxnews.com/rep-joh...can-people

From who? Us? Who's "us." The American people?

If they are "we" and we are "us" we are not them. They don't steal from themselves, do they?

Wait a second, he did said "We." Who is "we?" He's clearly indicating he's part of a group, but then refers to that group as "the goverment." How does that work?

I think I got it...

I am "we?" Ok, for everyone reading this, I demand 20 Federal Reserve Notes payable immediately. If you resist, I guess I'll have to get violent. Because, hey, if stealing is ok...and theft is a form of violence...than who's to say I shouldn't just escalate it a bit to get what I want? I mean, for real.

If I'm "we" I should have all the same powers.

Wait, I cannot be "we." I don't chose to go war, sell off future generations to banks, put people in jail, etc. I don't act like I own other people. What, is "we" like a big, happy family? Like I'm in the same family as the Plutocrats? I don't think so. Clearly I cannot be "we."

Are you with We or US?

Pretty amazing to hear a high-ranking public official actually say this. A sure sign of progress in understanding how it's simply not possible to have a Government.

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money - Margaret Thatcher

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody" - BHO

Quote from barnz008 : Pretty amazing to hear a high-ranking public official actually say this.

A lying, cheating, robbing, and stealing day, eh?

I missed the outrage during the wealth redistribution of the past 30yrs. When Boehner and his SCOTUS friends eliminate corporate socialism, I'll consider a reduction in earned benefits.

"The state is a gang of thieves writ large."

-Rothbard

Yea. Sure. Taxes are "stealing". Someone call the cops.

"We" = Washinton Fat Cats (Repub or Dem, both included)
"American People" = Everyone Else

The government takes money from us against our will and uses it to line the pockets of those in power and the pockets of the special interest groups (unions, associations, corporations, individuals, ...) that helped them get into power. Both parties are equally or nearly equally guilty.

I think we can all agree to that point. Then there are more controversial things I would also consider stealing. A number of left wing programs, one or two right wing ones too. I will leave those examples out for now with the hopes of reasonable minds agreeing on the less muddy form of stealing.

Quote from bridgeburner : Yea. Sure. Taxes are "stealing". Someone call the cops.

You must be rolling your eyes because your voluntary agrement in participation with the State is such that you receive as equal benefit from your payments rendered to the services provided. Even still, I suppose, in the event They change the agreement, you still happily oblige nor utter a word otherwise. Because, hey, what a deal!!!!

Why call the cops? I'm totally confizzled.

"Taxation is theft because we have the right to squat in the us and benefit from defense, infrastructure, police, courts, etc. without obligation."

Quote from barnz008 : You must be rolling your eyes because your voluntary agrement in participation with the State is such that you receive as equal benefit from your payments rendered to the services provided. Even still, I suppose, in the event They change the agreement, you still happily oblige nor utter a word otherwise. Because, hey, what a deal!!!! Why call the cops? I'm totally confizzled.

Nope. I can't guarantee that my taxes will be used properly or that I will get benefit from them. But hey, that's why I vote for the people who actually spend those taxes. If taxes are misused, the american people have no one to blame but themselves. After all, we elected the people deciding what to do with those taxes.


And I'm rolling my eyes because it's a ridiculous assertion that the government is stealing from us by collecting taxes. Taxes have never been considered a "you pay this to get this benefit" mechanic. We pay taxes so the government can function. We're lucky we get benefits out of it (like unemployment, schools, roads, etc etc)

Quote from bridgeburner : We're lucky we get benefits out of it (like unemployment, schools, roads, etc etc)

Well said. I've always felt a main government benefit is the unemployed.

Oh, and the roads logic. Right, because who's gonna pick the cotton if someone doesn't whips the slaves into doing it? You do what I say so I can say what you can do. Now would be good for me; not really interested if it's convenient for you.

We're getting closer. The State is the ultimate suicide machine, like John here says. So many governments, so many many history books. Will we have room for them all?

Quote from barnz008 : Well said. I've always felt a main government benefit is the unemployed. Oh, and the roads logic. Right, because who's gonna pick the cotton if someone doesn't whips the slaves into doing it? You do what I say so I can say what you can do. Now would be good for me; not really interested if it's convenient for you. We're getting closer. The State is the ultimate suicide machine, like John here says. So many governments, so many many history books. Will we have room for them all?

Not a single sentence of that made sense to me. Can you try and make your point (and how it relates to this discussion) a little more concise? I say "Taxes are not the government stealing from us, it's us paying for the privilege of living in a free country". You say.....?

Quote from bridgeburner : Not a single sentence of that made sense to me. Can you try and make your point (and how it relates to this discussion) a little more concise? I say "Taxes are not the government stealing from us, it's us paying for the privilege of living in a free country". You say.....?

I don't think the poster's intention was to make sense. It was merely to emote.

Quote from Tony_Danza : "Taxation is theft because we have the right to squat in the us and benefit from defense, infrastructure, police, courts, etc. without obligation."

Is that a Tony_Danza original?