Blackberry Z10 unlocked $630

Quote from blahblahyoutoo : you don't think that BB was sitting idly from OS5 to OS7 as they watched google/apple come out with better devices and software? you don't think it was stubbornness or perhaps arrogance that made the co-CEO's tell the world that they don't need apps? i'm not a fanboy of any company either. i just happened to own iOS at the time, and now find android JB to be adequate (which means it isn't without its flaws but is the best device for my needs atm). I too find iOS very limiting in what it allows you to do without jailbreaking, but it is the smoothest running OS of all the major OS's (perhaps because it does not offer true multitasking). to show that i'm not blindly bashing BB, my mobile device history has been as follows: BB (unknown model, color screen side scroll wheel), BB pearl, (ipod touch somewhere here) BB 8830 world, BB storm 1, BB storm 2, BB torch 9850, gnex, nex4. ever since we've been allowed to BYOD, I've left BB until it gives me a reason to return. no doubt BB OS10 is better than OS7, but it still does not offer anything compelling to make me switch from Android. it is simply on par (or slightly below if you count the ecosystem).

+1 these Blackberry fanboys don't seem to understand that the Z10 does nothing to draw people from Android/Apple, even Windows phone. When someone asks why should I switch over to the Blackberry Z10? It won't be the hardware, it won't be the software, and it won't be the price either. Oh and the free bonus is that the selection of apps is terrible compared to Android/Apple.

They can't even get Netflix to make an app for this phone...
http://bgr.com/2013/03/04/netflix...pp-359561/
http://news.yahoo.com/netflix-not...42957.html

And I'm sure Netflix is not alone here...I guess if you want to be treated like the red headed step child of smartphone OSes...

Mind you, the phone is fast and relatively secure compared to other platforms, but for most consumers it's going to be the last kid to be picked for the sports team.

Quote from kg21 : +1 these Blackberry fanboys don't seem to understand that the Z10 does nothing to draw people from Android/Apple, even Windows phone. When someone asks why should I switch over to the Blackberry Z10? It won't be the hardware, it won't be the software, and it won't be the price either. Oh and the free bonus is that the selection of apps is terrible compared to Android/Apple.

When it will get interesting is after it dies the inevitable deal of a thousand cuts and ends up in the markdown pile on the deal a day sites. For the right price, I might be interested. But this isn't it.

Quote from Cirrus : They can't even get Netflix to make an app for this phone... http://bgr.com/2013/03/04/netflix...pp-359561/ http://news.yahoo.com/netflix-not...42957.html And I'm sure Netflix is not alone here...I guess if you want to be treated like the red headed step child of smartphone OSes... Mind you, the phone is fast and relatively secure compared to other platforms, but for most consumers it's going to be the last kid to be picked for the sports team.

Netflix simply doesn't want to do one for Blackberry. But they were more than willing to do it for the Win 8 phone and even the Sony Vita. Both a failure in terms of sales. Netflix has always gone out if it's way to make sure Blackberry will never get it but yet, every other OS- failure or not will get it. Also, it would be easier for Netflix to make a HTML5 app to run on many OS's but they refuse to because, as we all know BB10 runs every HTML5 app perfectly.

In Fact, BB10 will run Android 4.0+ emulator soon, I can promise you Netflix will update their Android app to make sure it will not work on BB10.

Quote from toromac : Too little, too late. Ecosystem is everything now. If you don't have enough optimized apps, then you have nothing. Apple and Android run the show. Windows phone picks up the scraps. There's nothing left for blackberry. It will die a slow death or will eventually be bought by a bigger fish.

This is the truth here. Sad to say because I really liked the Torch.

I was too cheap to pay for a data plan for my personal phone so I have just taken what my jobs have given me. I've had two blackberries, a windows phone (WP7), and now the S3.

I love my S3 and can't imagine leaving the android ecosystem, but I really liked the last BB I had - the Torch. It was highly customizable and the form factor was great. It was a bit thick, but it was small and having the whole screen available while typing e-mails was very good for work. The system was very intuitive.

I really disliked WP7 (later updated to 7.5 mango). It had some nice features, but I had to install Zune to get music on it which is just as loathsome as Apple and their iTunes bullshit. The UI sucks. Live tiles are nifty but it ends there. The android home screens and widgets are much better. I could never fathom why, when I plugged my WP7 into my Win 7 laptop, it was unrecognized. Wtf microsoft? How slapdick is that? With the S3 and the Torch I could just drag and drop pictures, music, etc. No bloatware necessary. Also, there was no way to get a custom ringtone or notification on the phone. Maybe they fixed that with WP8, but I'll never know.

Long story short, if I didn't love Android so much, I'd be excited to give Blackberry another shot if the price was right. I'd greatly prefer an unknown Blackberry to a stupid iPhone or Windows Phone. But when you can get a Nexus 4 for $300, I don't see how anybody can squeeze into the market now. I wish it wasn't true, but I think BB is doomed unless they could somehow break into the "cheap" smartphone category that Android is dominating.

Yeah, BB is too late. A fast browser or the most awesome OS in the world won't help them at this point - they're simply too late to the game.

Most big companies that WERE standardized on BB have moved on to iOS or Android, and realized how much easier (and cheaper!) it is to not deal with the BES.

App developers have a gigantic market for iOS & Android. Not many people will be rushing away from those platforms to tap into the tiny BB market. It'll take a looong time for BB apps to get even a fraction of the volume that the market leaders have.

I see BB as the Lotus Notes of the Smartphone world. The old developers will cling to it & swear it's the best thing that ever existed in the history of computing, while meanwhile 95% of the market ignores it.

Because I like to try out new technology, I would absolutely buy one of these, IF it had a Spotify app.

I think the price is too high to make any real headway, but it's not like the price is out of line compared to other similar spec'd smartphones. My old Blackberry was a great smartphone if you ignore how slow it was. I'd be willing to give the BB10s a shot at a lower price point. The negative comments about this phone are uncalled for and almost certainly from people with no experience.

If they were smart they would have come out of the gate with this phone for 399. They might only make 50 dollars per phone, but at least they could tease back some customers. At 600 dollars they have set their slow death into motion. Mismanagement at its finest.

Quote from gdimarco : Check Ebay, people is paying $1000 for this phone. Go to an Apple store and buy a unlocked Iphone 5, it will be $720 with tax. Decent price for the z10 phone.

those are probably( as I understand) dropship/forwarding service (in US, I assume you already know) where the buyers are outside US.

I know in some countries . BB is still number one, especially with BBM service.
they can not buy Z10 at the moment due on local laws or late release date.
I know they would pick the money deeply to get the phone without thinking the cost .

Quote from MrTwo94 : ....... I really liked the last BB I had - the Torch. It was highly customizable and the form factor was great. It was a bit thick, but it was small and having the whole screen available while typing e-mails was very good for work. The system was very intuitive. .................

as I know,
if you are look further in Asia, Torch is/was not their preference.
they prefers low-budget BB where BBM for personal& works is the main reason to buy.

As I understand from the news, BB will release low-budget phone to tackle aging low-budget phone product currently on specific countries.

Android and Apple phone are eating BB market very fast....

What is ridiculous is that ppl were writing off BB as early as two years ago, making all sorts of comparisons to Palm, Atari, and Lotus Notes (hadn't heard that one before!), yet not only they survived, but also they increased their cash to 3B and launched a completely new platform. Even the analyst are chewing their words and increasing their sales forecast for the Z10.

What is even more ridiculous is that there is much conjecture and speculation from ppl who haven't even seen the Z10. Can someone who has actually used the Z10 objectively give their thoughts on the phone here?

I get that you had an older BB for 5 years, it ran OS5.0.1.2.3, never broke when you dropped her but after 5 years she became too slow, got fat and ugly, needed hard resets, you broke up, got an Android, moved on, Taylor Swift wrote a song about it. That's fascinating. But how is Z10 and how does it compare to the iphone 5?

Quote from hood_rep : Can someone who has actually used the Z10 objectively give their thoughts on the phone here? ... But how is Z10 and how does it compare to the iphone 5?

Yes. It's great. Using is believing. I got one, and then after a couple of weeks of playing with it, my wife ordered one too.

Compared to iPhone 5, the browser is faster (to my eye anyway) and the screen is nicer. The OS is wayyyy slicker (the always-open notification centre is fantastic). The apps selection though is of course much weaker. I'm not really an app guy though. Skype is the only one I'm waiting for and BlackBerry has confirmed that it's coming sometime around the full U.S. launch. As such, this phone seemed right for me so I took the plunge and ordered one, and at this point couldn't be happier.

Quote from kg21 : +1 these Blackberry fanboys don't seem to understand that the Z10 does nothing to draw people from Android/Apple, even Windows phone. When someone asks why should I switch over to the Blackberry Z10? It won't be the hardware, it won't be the software, and it won't be the price either. Oh and the free bonus is that the selection of apps is terrible compared to Android/Apple.

Whoops, someone forgot to give these people your memo

http://bgr.com/2013/03/01/blackbe...id-354052/