Sony PlayStation Vita (Pre-owned) $120 or Less + Free shipping

Quote from Mako1215 : 360 also has way better servers, and doesn't take years for things to download.

I will agree about the game servers but my PS3 downloads things just as fast as my 360. TBH, My 360 hasn't been touched in almost a year because I got tired of having to pay (in the form of a Live Gold subscription) for features that are either useless or shouldn't have to be paid for. Also, the ever increasing amount of ads on the 360 dashboard has also become a major deterrent for 360 gaming for me.

Quote from ecsa0014 : I will agree about the game servers but my PS3 downloads things just as fast as my 360. TBH, My 360 hasn't been touched in almost a year because I got tired of having to pay (in the form of a Live Gold subscription) for features that are either useless or shouldn't have to be paid for. Also, the ever increasing amount of ads on the 360 dashboard has also become a major deterrent for 360 gaming for me.

I agree on that one. The complaint most people have about playstation downloading is that you have to download something and then install it. So it does take longer if you are sitting there waiting for it. I personally don't care about this.

Quote from webculb : Now ask yourself why were there a lack of quality games. It is because developers didn't make them. Developers didn't make them because PSP software sales were horrible. Software sales were horrible because pirates just downloaded all their games and also showed all their friends how to do it as well. As for Vita memory cards you are underestimating how cheap the average pirate is. The current pricing model is keeping pirates away from the console.

I'm pretty sure PSP software sales were horrible long before the system was cracked. My friends never downloaded PSP titles because TBH there weren't any worth even pirating. Instead the system was mainly used for emulating older systems (that actually had quality games).

Do a quick Google search of "Sony Proprietary formats" and you will come across article after article about the complaints of Sony trying to push their own proprietary formats through the years. You seem to fail to understand what a greedy company Sony is. Instead of using standard SD card, Sony wants you to buy THEIR CARD at their incredibly inflated prices. They've done this with the Vita, their cameras, camcorders, etc. Pretty much anything with the Sony name on it has been made to accept a proprietary Sony format of some type. I know exactly how cheap a pirate can be but I also know how determined they can be. If you or Sony thinks that requiring a higher priced media format is going to deter pirates, y'all are delusional. It's about profits, not piracy.

Quote from ecsa0014 : I'm pretty sure PSP software sales were horrible long before the system was cracked. My friends never downloaded PSP titles because TBH there weren't any worth even pirating. Instead the system was mainly used for emulating older systems (that actually had quality games). Do a quick Google search of "Sony Proprietary formats" and you will come across article after article about the complaints of Sony trying to push their own proprietary formats through the years. You seem to fail to understand what a greedy company Sony is. Instead of using standard SD card, Sony wants you to buy THEIR CARD at their incredibly inflated prices. They do this with the Vita, their cameras, camcorders, etc. Pretty much anything with the Sony name on it has been made to accept a proprietary Sony format of some type. I know exactly how cheap a pirate can be but I also know how determined they can be. If you or Sony thinks that requiring a higher priced media format is going to deter pirates, y'all are delusional. It's about profits, not piracy.

It's both for the Vita. Killing two birds with one stone so to speak. Sony is selling the Vita at a loss so they make a tidy profit on the memory cards to make up for that. Plus it has the added benefit of keeping pirates at Bay. All the pirates I know all say the same thing that they won't get a Vita because of the cost of the cards. Something like "The cards are so freaking expensive that I might as well just buy the games". So they don't even consider getting a console. Plus now Sony can control the quality fo the cards in the system. If they allowed people to use any micro sd card. There would be some people that would buy the cheapest quality junk cards they could find. Then they would complain about how slow games load off the card and blame the system.

Quote from webculb : It's both for the Vita. Killing two birds with one stone so to speak. Sony is selling the Vita at a loss so they make a tidy profit on the memory cards to make up for that. Plus it has the added benefit of keeping pirates at Bay. All the pirates I know all say the same thing that they won't get a Vita because of the cost of the cards. Something like "The cards are so freaking expensive that I might as well just buy the games". So they don't even consider getting a console. Plus now Sony can control the quality fo the cards in the system. If they allowed people to use any micro sd card. There would be some people that would buy the cheapest quality junk cards they could find. Then they would complain about how slow games load off the card and blame the system.

I like how you are justifying their corporate greed, enjoy your crappy system

Quote from IamPro : I like how you are justifying their corporate greed, enjoy your crappy system

I have been for months now. I haven't enjoyed a system this much since I first got my very first ps1.

I use it all the time. Been playing FFIV complete edition and Persona 4 Golden since December.

Quote from webculb : I have been for months now. I haven't enjoyed a system this much since I first got my very first ps1. I use it all the time. Been playing FFIV complete edition and Persona 4 Golden since December.

Only few games it has, wake me up when it can play all PS1 games

Quote from wizard7926 : That's the thing, though - Sony is REALLY good at future-proofing their devices. They went all-in on Blu-Ray, and they won that battle. In fact, at one point it was one of the most affordable and updateable BR player for sale. Just as they backed DVD with the PS2, they succeed in anticipating where the market will go in terms of technology. To say they should have gone the DVD route for their games is just silly. Absolutely silly. Blu-Ray, HDMI, gigabit ethernet.. none of these things were on the 360 at the time. Sony doesn't let the PS brand pander down to what other companies are putting out just to compete on price; they put out the best product they can put out and let the consumer decide. It sucks when they fail, but at least they don't put out an inferior product just to get it out the door cheaper or quicker. It's also matched 360 installed units with a year's headstart to make up.

It was never the most affordable Blu-Ray player, but it was the best Blu-Ray player at one point.

Also, it still hasn't matched the 360's installed units. It has surpassed the shipped number, though. It will surpass the 360s installed units by the end of this year...but really, that's too little too late.

I think the PS3 is a great product and that it's better than the 360 in every way. And, you're right, they definitely futureproofed the product. But that came at a price...and that was them loosing a drastic amount of market share. I don't think it was worth it to them in the long run. If they can manage to make the PS4 affordable (or at least equal in price to the new Xbox), I don't see why they won't reclaim the #1 seat again.

Quote from wizard7926 : Nope. You mean the one thing that killed off the original PSP? I love how everyone rags on the Vita as dead after just over a year of sales. Uncharted: Golden Abyss is the best mobile game I've ever played, period. Gravity Rush, WipEout 2048, LBP Vita, Mutant Blobs Attack, all these excellent mobile titles but sure, it's a dead console.

It's just the trolls and Nintendo/Microsoft fanboys.

I personally feel the Vita has a better library, better screen, and better hardware.

The only thing I hate is the proprietary memory.

Quote from IamPro : Only few games it has, wake me up when it can play all PS1 games

It's played everything I've tried on it. I just plug it into the ps3 and copy the file over. Been playing some FFVII on it. Looks great on the OLED screen.

Quote from ecsa0014 : Instead of using standard SD card, Sony wants you to buy THEIR CARD at their incredibly inflated prices. They've done this with the Vita, their cameras, camcorders, etc. Pretty much anything with the Sony name on it has been made to accept a proprietary Sony format of some type. I know exactly how cheap a pirate can be but I also know how determined they can be. If you or Sony thinks that requiring a higher priced media format is going to deter pirates, y'all are delusional. It's about profits, not piracy.

I beg to disagree.

http://www.examiner.com/article/p...nst-piracy

Also, Sony accepts SD and microSD on many of their cameras, Xperia phones, tablets, and the PS3 will recognize them with a reader (previously read them natively).

Quote from webculb : It's played everything I've tried on it. I just plug it into the ps3 and copy the file over. Been playing some FFVII on it. Looks great on the OLED screen.

So you need a PS3 just to copy over the limited list of games that are compatible with the Vita? Brilliant!

Quote from wizard7926 : Nope. You mean the one thing that killed off the original PSP?

How exactly did me playing Super Mario RPG while taking my morning shit kill off the PSP?

Back OT (as opposed to just bashing Vita and the memory cards) - IF you buy one of these used ones from Cowboom, be SURE to at least get the charging cable - I'd hold out for the entire charger. The charging adaptor is proprietary - so if it doesn't come with one - plan on spending 15-20 bucks to get one.

A for sure dealbreaker in my world.