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The male in your hypo has no such legal recourse. "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -- John Morley
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Also wouldn't a woman who's had several children prior be worth more also? Yet they're not.. I think surrogacy walks an extremely fine line of legal vs. illegal. Many parents are impatient.. they want a newborn, they may want a certain race etc.. etc.. So rather than adopt.. they'll pay someone. Keep in mind I can't pay someone to sleep with me.. but I can pay someone to be inseminated and carry my unborn child??? Last edited by DJPlayer; 03-05-2013 at 06:13 PM.. bitter Pennsylvanian clinging to my guns and religion.. Obama called it out in 08.
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Also, how many people in your example signed a contract saying they would abort... Not exactly the same. |
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If the parents want an 'out' clause, then so be it. But forcing abortion on the surrogate, even if agreed to, doesn't seem to be an enforceable contract clause. At the same time, I don't see why the biological parents or the taxpayers would have to flip the bill. I think people would be lining up around the block to chip in voluntarily to help this poor girl and the family where she ends up. |
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"If an American is to amount to anything he must rely upon himself, and not upon the State; he must take pride in his own work, instead of sitting idle to envy the luck of others. He must face life with resolute courage, win victory if he can, and accept defeat if he must, without seeking to place on his fellow man a responsibility which is not theirs.” --- Theodore Roosevelt
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Even as I type that is just sounds awkward. It sorta sounds like selling a child. I'm taking a little bit of a leap on this one (only because this is my understanding, but I'm not absolutely 100% sure).. regardless, I don't believe they're being paid for "services". That's a border line illegal act because it gets alot closer to selling a child. Instead they receive compensation directly related to the child. That's how lawyers keep this legal. example: a surrogate can be "compensated" for: food, housing, travel for doctors appointments, insemination and the list goes on and on.. But all these expenses are necessary expenses to care for the child living in the surrogate. So it's not really a "service" you're paying for.. it's caring for the child through the mother. If your monthly bills are more expenses are more expensive you may receive more.. sometimes an agency will cap them. The only issue I'm stating is that there are people out there.. that are more or less selling children. The line is fine and some people cross it, which will typically happen when done privately and lawyers aren't there to protect you. |
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Genocide is a crime on a different scale to all other crimes against humanity and implies an intention to completely exterminate the chosen group. Genocide is therefore both the gravest and the greatest of the crimes against humanity:
In the same way as in a case of homicide the natural right of the individual to exist is implied, so in the case of genocide as a crime, the principle that any group has a natural right to exist is clearly evident. Attempts to eliminate such groups violate this right to exist and to develop within the international community. A genocide is a conspiracy aimed at the total destruction of a group and thus requires a concerted plan of action. The instigators and initiators of a genocide are cool-minded theorists first and barbarians only second. The specificity of genocide does not arise from the extent of the killings, nor their savagery or resulting infamy, but solely from the intention: the destruction of a group. The Convention for the Prevention and the Punishment of the Crime of Genocide which was voted into existence by the General Assembly of the United Nations (UN) in 1948. After stating in Article 1 that genocide is a crime under international law, the Convention laid down the following definition: any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: a. killing members of the group; b. causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; c. deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; d. imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; e. forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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