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Quote from CSIG1001 : Lol ok ... The ST60 is a better set.. good luck on your obsolete tech

Obsolete lmao..the st60 isnt even out yet how do you know how it will perform......You dont

Quote from eternal10 : Obsolete lmao..the st60 isnt even out yet how do you know how it will perform......You dont

go on AVS forum and if you knew anything about panny plasmas is that every year they improve in the ST-VT line. The ST60 will most likely be comparable to a VT50 and the VT60/ZT 60 will outperform all previous years and will be the new reference sets.

The GT50 is nothing but a ST50 without THX and minus a HDMI input.. The panels are the same... The ST60 will have a improved panel/ AG Filter and processing versus the 2012 Sets.. As you know there will not be a GT60 next year .. did you know that? Also i can pick up a 60ST60 on preorder throught EPP for 1444.00 plus tax.. I will most likely go with the 60" VT 60 to upgrade my ST30 60" .. The GT50 is nothing special .. oh yeah the outside panel design looks alittle better then the ST50... Other then that if you can get a 60" GT50 for 1000-1200 now and you want to save 300.00 go with it. I wouldnt spend more than 1500.00 for a GT50... This is a dying thread and have put out enough good information for people looking to upgrade. This is not a good deal...

Looking forward to the ST60/VT60

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I've been researching these Panasonic plasma sets myself. Do you have any idea for how much the 55VT60 or 60VT60 might retail for and how much it would be with employee pricing?

I pre-ordered an ST60 but wondering if i should cancel and step up to the VT series.

Thanks.

Quote from CSIG1001 : go on AVS forum and if you knew anything about panny plasmas is that every year they improve in the ST-VT line. The ST60 will most likely be comparable to a VT50 and the VT60/ZT 60 will outperform all previous years and will be the new reference sets. The GT50 is nothing but a ST50 without THX and minus a HDMI input.. The panels are the same... The ST60 will have a improved panel/ AG Filter and processing versus the 2012 Sets.. As you know there will not be a GT60 next year .. did you know that? Also i can pick up a 60ST60 on preorder throught EPP for 1444.00 plus tax.. I will most likely go with the 60" VT 60 to upgrade my ST30 60" .. The GT50 is nothing special .. oh yeah the outside panel design looks alittle better then the ST50... Other then that if you can get a 60" GT50 for 1000-1200 now and you want to save 300.00 go with it. I wouldnt spend more than 1500.00 for a GT50... This is a dying thread and have put out enough good information for people looking to upgrade. This is not a good deal... Looking forward to the ST60/VT60 ...

you are speculating quite a bit without seeing the actual ST60

The price difference between the ST and GT in this size is typically less than $200. The GT has a slimmer bezel, THX mode and an extra HDMI input...well worth the price difference

The speculation is that those are the only differences....but since no one on AVS forum,( or anywhere else) is not a Panasonic employee that has any definite proof on the inner parts of either TV....its remains speculation

I have a an ST50( bought at a Sears Outlet fire sale).....though I actually prefer either of my Samsung C8000 or E8000 plasma for the "punch" they put in color
Also Samsung plasma still does 3D better than anything else I own

I think this GT is a great TV...while Panasonic has improved each year...IMO..this past year they improved more than they have in the last 3
Both picture quality..inclusive of more "punch" in the color...as well as a much sleeker design from their clunky thick bezel looks of the past

Will the xx60 models be as a big of a jump as they made last year?

No one knows and any statements are just specualtion

Quote from amazin : I've been researching these Panasonic plasma sets myself. Do you have any idea for how much the 55VT60 or 60VT60 might retail for and how much it would be with employee pricing? I pre-ordered an ST60 but wondering if i should cancel and step up to the VT series. Thanks.

the MSRP will likely be 10% less than it was the year before....they have followed that path for the last few years

Street price is another story

It wouldnt surprise me if they follow the same pricing strategy as last year

if you tracked the out going VT 50 and when and how much prices changed....its probably a good indicator of the new model

Quote from CSIG1001 : Lol ok ... The ST60 is a better set.. good luck on your obsolete tech

Hey now I just got a 50" ST50 and currently breaking it in. It's a fine tv and as good as the top of the line Panasonic plasma of 2011.

Quote from amazin : I've been researching these Panasonic plasma sets myself. Do you have any idea for how much the 55VT60 or 60VT60 might retail for and how much it would be with employee pricing? I pre-ordered an ST60 but wondering if i should cancel and step up to the VT series. Thanks.

The VT60 is supposed to be around 1850-2k for the 60" and the ZT model is supposed to be around 2400-3k+ for the 60-65" model . This is based on assumptions from forum members on AVS. The ST60 is a fine set for the money and will be a step up from the GT50, however the VT60 will be a better overall set. The panel is a big improvement for color reproduction for the reds, and blacks.. The ZT will offer more features and a improved panel to produce better blacks. The ZT will be the reference set for 2013 over taking the pioneer kuro finally after 4 years. If you pre ordered the ST60 then I would keep it for at least a year and maybe sell it when the prices come down around dec-jan next year and upgrade to a VT.. Panasonic is moving towards OLED and putting alot of R&D in this area with sony. I still think we have at least another 3-4 years of new plasmas to come out down the road. If you have the loot get the VT when the prices are released later this month. if you dont plan on upgrading for 2-3 years.

i just checked panasonic epp site and the VT 60 55" is 1800, 60" 2500.00 , 65" 3059.00+ tax.

the 65" ST60 is 2200.00

realistically i see the 65" VT 60 going for 2500-2700 6 months down the road.

Quote from turnne : you are speculating quite a bit without seeing the actual ST60 The price difference between the ST and GT in this size is typically less than $200. The GT has a slimmer bezel, THX mode and an extra HDMI input...well worth the price difference The speculation is that those are the only differences....but since no one on AVS forum,( or anywhere else) is not a Panasonic employee that has any definite proof on the inner parts of either TV....its remains speculation I have a an ST50( bought at a Sears Outlet fire sale).....though I actually prefer either of my Samsung C8000 or E8000 plasma for the "punch" they put in color Also Samsung plasma still does 3D better than anything else I own I think this GT is a great TV...while Panasonic has improved each year...IMO..this past year they improved more than they have in the last 3 Both picture quality..inclusive of more "punch" in the color...as well as a much sleeker design from their clunky thick bezel looks of the past Will the xx60 models be as a big of a jump as they made last year? No one knows and any statements are just specualtion

The S60 65" is 1444.00 on the pansonic epp site and i know for a fact it will have all the pro settings and a better panel minus the AG filter then last years model.
i really dont see how a extra hdmi port is worth the extra dough when most people nowadays use a surround sound system. i would agree the bezels have gotten nicer and the GT looks slightly better to the eye but its still the same panel as the ST50. THX mode from what i heard has improved but i still find custom mode to be the best when used with the settings from D-nice a professional calibrator. Samsung does from what i heard produce a vibrant picture but lacks customer service and quality and control and issues.. i personally dont like korean products and it is a known fact that the panasonic line in the ST-VT line is a better set overall

image retention problems with this model. stuff gets burned in really easily and permanently into the screen. my playstation burned "first place" into the screeen. never left if on for a long time used the image retention eraser built it to the set but it didn't work. called panasonic and they won't warranty it at all. returned the set. even tho it looked really good
see amazon reviews of it. got a samsung plasma now and never have any type of image retention issues. save your money. most plasma look really good even cheap ones like my 51" samsung 450 720p model. i only paid 439 plus tax for it came with no headaches.

Quote from CSIG1001 : The S60 65" is 1444.00 on the pansonic epp site and i know for a fact it will have all the pro settings and a better panel minus the AG filter then last years model. i really dont see how a extra hdmi port is worth the extra dough when most people nowadays use a surround sound system. i would agree the bezels have gotten nicer and the GT looks slightly better to the eye but its still the same panel as the ST50. THX mode from what i heard has improved but i still find custom mode to be the best when used with the settings from D-nice a professional calibrator. Samsung does from what i heard produce a vibrant picture but lacks customer service and quality and control and issues.. i personally dont like korean products and it is a known fact that the panasonic line in the ST-VT line is a better set overall

I assume you mean ST60 and not S60?

how do you know for a fact it will have a better panel?....you would have to work for Panasonic to know that 100%

The difference in the two sets is less than $200..in a 60" version
the GT bezel is slimmer and that..IMO makes it look better. It also might be able to get into a smaller space
THX mode is actually pretty accurate on these TV's...and an extra HDMI port cant hurt
The appearance alone of the TV..the GT...is worth $100 for the slimmer bezel...for less than another $100 I think the extra HDMI port and THX modes are a pretty good for something that will have for say 4-5 years of use( or more)

I am not sure I would get to caught up in who has the best ( or worst) customer service
There are plenty posts ( in every forum) that knock both companies

My Samsung plasma( in fact all I have owned) was made in Mexico....where are Pansonics made?

That has frankly never factored into my buying decision

I have the ST50...the reason being I got a firesale deals at the Sears outlet for a 50" ST50 for $329...its for bedroom so its fine

I actually think both my C8000 and E8000 plasma have a better overall picture than the ST50
Do I think the VT is a better set than the E8000...yes
But I can also see a difference in the ST and VT sets
The VT50 is the only thing I have seen that would consider trading my E8000 for
The Samsungs still offer better color and better 3D( no cross talk at all) than my ST50
I havent seen 3D on the VT50 so I can say how it performs

No sure about the "known fact" that the ST-VT are better sets
Traditionally the VT's have had better black levels...the Samsungs better color, design and feature sets
The VT..this year stepped up their game..in all areas
Color "pop" and the design of the set is head and shoulders above last year.
Last years set was good....but going with it had tradeoffs from the Samsung

This year..much closer.
But the bottom line is...for the same price I would buy the VT50. if the Samsung E8000 was more than $200 less I would go samsung

They are that close in my opinion and you really cant have a "bad" TV choice by buying either one

I doubt..very seriously..that Panasonic will make the leap they did this year in next years models

Quote from ToddH4069 : image retention problems with this model. stuff gets burned in really easily and permanently into the screen. my playstation burned "first place" into the screeen. never left if on for a long time used the image retention eraser built it to the set but it didn't work. called panasonic and they won't warranty it at all. returned the set. even tho it looked really good see amazon reviews of it. got a samsung plasma now and never have any type of image retention issues. save your money. most plasma look really good even cheap ones like my 51" samsung 450 720p model. i only paid 439 plus tax for it came with no headaches.

while I still say any modern plasma doesnt really have burn in issues
cnet did a test where they abused some TV's to see how they performed...and the Samsung models fared pretty well

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-3319...n-in-test/

Quote from turnne : I assume you mean ST60 and not S60? how do you know for a fact it will have a better panel?....you would have to work for Panasonic to know that 100% The difference in the two sets is less than $200..in a 60" version the GT bezel is slimmer and that..IMO makes it look better. It also might be able to get into a smaller space THX mode is actually pretty accurate on these TV's...and an extra HDMI port cant hurt The appearance alone of the TV..the GT...is worth $100 for the slimmer bezel...for less than another $100 I think the extra HDMI port and THX modes are a pretty good for something that will have for say 4-5 years of use( or more) I am not sure I would get to caught up in who has the best ( or worst) customer service There are plenty posts ( in every forum) that knock both companies My Samsung plasma( in fact all I have owned) was made in Mexico....where are Pansonics made? That has frankly never factored into my buying decision I have the ST50...the reason being I got a firesale deals at the Sears outlet for a 50" ST50 for $329...its for bedroom so its fine I actually think both my C8000 and E8000 plasma have a better overall picture than the ST50 Do I think the VT is a better set than the E8000...yes But I can also see a difference in the ST and VT sets The VT50 is the only thing I have seen that would consider trading my E8000 for The Samsungs still offer better color and better 3D( no cross talk at all) than my ST50 I havent seen 3D on the VT50 so I can say how it performs No sure about the "known fact" that the ST-VT are better sets Traditionally the VT's have had better black levels...the Samsungs better color, design and feature sets The VT..this year stepped up their game..in all areas Color "pop" and the design of the set is head and shoulders above last year. Last years set was good....but going with it had tradeoffs from the Samsung This year..much closer. But the bottom line is...for the same price I would buy the VT50. if the Samsung E8000 was more than $200 less I would go samsung They are that close in my opinion and you really cant have a "bad" TV choice by buying either one I doubt..very seriously..that Panasonic will make the leap they did this year in next years models

You are wrong the leap is going to be much better then the last 2 years. The ZT will be the new reference tv outperforming the pioneer kuro that retailed for 4-5k. I think it is funny you think korean designs and technology is better then a japanese engineered set.
And yes i mean the S60 not the ST60 .. The ST60 will outperform a GT50 it is a well known fact on AVS even though no reviews have been published. It does not matter where it was made , it is who designed it. Samsung TVs are known to overheat and cause panel issues with no customer service. This is just what i am hearing on the forums from other owners. Thats great you own a GT50 but if you bought in the last 2 months and paid over 1500 you bought yourself a tv that is old. The ST60 will have better blacks, processing and reduced glare with more accurate color pop. I can not give you technical details but it will all be out soon when professional calibrators put a color spectrometer on the tv. Did you watch CES 2013? http://ces.cnet.com/1606-34451_1-50138601.html

sounds like panasonic tvs have improved alot

Quote from CSIG1001 : You are wrong the leap is going to be much better then the last 2 years. The ZT will be the new reference tv outperforming the pioneer kuro that retailed for 4-5k. I think it is funny you think korean designs and technology is better then a japanese engineered set. And yes i mean the S60 not the ST60 .. The ST60 will outperform a GT50 it is a well known fact on AVS even though no reviews have been published. It does not matter where it was made , it is who designed it. Samsung TVs are known to overheat and cause panel issues with no customer service. This is just what i am hearing on the forums from other owners. Thats great you own a GT50 but if you bought in the last 2 months and paid over 1500 you bought yourself a tv that is old. The ST60 will have better blacks, processing and reduced glare with more accurate color pop. I can not give you technical details but it will all be out soon when professional calibrators put a color spectrometer on the tv. Did you watch CES 2013? http://ces.cnet.com/1606-34451_1-50138601.html sounds like panasonic tvs have improved alot

they have improved huh?

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-3319...n-in-test/

I own a ST50..not a GT50...and I said I bought a 50" for $329 at the Sears outlet
and I still say the samsung E8000 is better than any Panasonic except the VT50

You like to speculate as you have no idea what the new sets will offer over the old

and having the deepest black level is not the whole story. Sure..the Kuro had the deepest black levels..but image retention on it was a negative as was color..AND the price was crazy...no wonder Pioneer was having such financial issues...and still is as I hear they are considering leaving the home audio business and just doing car..ala kenwood
IMO..the new VT50 is a better set overall than the Pioneer Kuro was at a fraction of the price
Not sure where you got the information that the ST60 will out perform the GT50..perhaps it will...but no one knows that for sure unless they work for Panasonic or already own both sets in their own home

if you believe EVERYTHING you read in AVS forum then you will believe a lot of things
They both have posts of unsatisfied customers
I think..anymore in the mass produced world of automated customer service you cant really have the highest expectations

and then there is the unknown as to what Samsung is bringing in for the coming season
Overall...Samsung is probably the volume leader on higher end TV's...and LG on the more mid range as far as major brands go