Intel i3-3220 Processor $100, i5-3570K $200 +shipping

Quote from namlook : Don't underestimate that there is always a use for everything. People that want to play intermediate level games would benefit from 4000 graphics. Lot's of people that have HTPCs want to play games on their 60" TV and a 4000 is much better suited for that.

I suppose that's true. Still, I don't understand the point of an i5 with 4000 graphics. No reason to put an i5 in an HTPC or anything meant for intermediate gaming (i3 would make more sense in that realm).

Well, I guess if you were planning on getting a GPU sometime in the future that would make sense.

Thanks, just bought this on amazon the other day for $130, gonna return

Crazy expensive, especially with shipping and taxes compared to AMD deals.

Quote from ViciousTide : Crazy expensive, especially with shipping and taxes compared to AMD deals.

...says the guy who obviously hasn't seen the benchmarks...

This lowest-tier i3 demolishes any AMD processor in the price range, even disregarding special discounts like this.

Quote from pen360guin : Quote from Cimpy : Just an FYI, if you have a microcenter nearby and can do in-store pickup, you can get the same prices or CHEAPER Intel i3-3220 $99 http://microcenter.com/product/39..._Processor Core i5 3570K $189 $10 cheaper http://microcenter.com/product/38..._Processor Microcenter always has the best prices on CPU's I'm not sure how Tiger and Microcenter's shipping costs compare, but I've always had a good experience with microcenter. FYI Microcenter always is located near NO ONE.

I know you are exaggerating, but this seems to be so very true. They closed down the one in NorCal, now the only one in CA is in SoCal... WTFudge??

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Quote from m715 : I agree...it's always the Microcenter is cheaper response Yes, it is but there just isn't that many around...and none near me...

I thought there was a couple in NY?

Somebody's going to flame on this, but here goes:

Nope. Not a deal unless you have a specific need for HD 4000 (there are some content creation apps that have a distinct advantage with HD400) --Ivy has always been a bit unstable because Intel cheaped out on the construction. Also don't forget this has zero upgrade path outside of another Ivy CPU. You're better off buying Sandy with the higher quality 1155 Ivy chipsets for single GPU configurations, or grabbing LGA2011/AM3+ or even FM2.

In multi-GPU, 1155 has always been a bit of a POS compared to LGA2011 or even AM3+ because of reduced lane count (lane count matters much more with GCN than with Kepler).

Do yourselves a favor and don't buy into a dead platform this late in the game. Haswell won't be fitting into these sockets --and from the looks of it won't be using sockets at all...

Quote from elecrobento : ...says the guy who obviously hasn't seen the benchmarks... This lowest-tier i3 demolishes any AMD processor in the price range, even disregarding special discounts like this.

Demolishes at what, synthetic benchmarks? There's very little difference between real world usage.

Quote from RyanL : I thought there was a couple in NY?

Near the city, I'm mid-way in near PA border, so a 6-7 hour round trip

Quote from RyanL : Demolishes at what, synthetic benchmarks? There's very little difference between real world usage.

Maybe so, maybe not, but there certainly is a very big difference in energy usage, which I consider "real world usage" since I pay the electricity bill every month.

Don't forget Fry's PM's Microcenter.

Quote from elecrobento : ...says the guy who obviously hasn't seen the benchmarks... This lowest-tier i3 demolishes any AMD processor in the price range, even disregarding special discounts like this.

You obviously don't actually own any of the newer AMD CPUs --and don't know enough not to believe reviews that would have earned an F in 6th grade science.

I'm sitting here typing on a machine with a 19w QUAD CORE. Intel doesn't make a Quad Core under 45w (maybe 35w now if they've got their shit slightly more together). I also have a computational workstation running simulations across the room with higher core density in a single tower than I could fit in this entire room with Intel+Nividia setups.

Where I learned to fab processors, a failure like Ivy Bridge would have gotten the entire team fired. Instead dumbasses are calling it a success. Sandy EX and Sandy EP both have less than half the transistors per core that Sandy 1155 had ---1155 Ivy has about 80% MORE transistors per core than the LGA 2011 Sandy variants, but only gains about 15% watt for watt in performance. That's called a regression, and there should have been skulls rolling for regressing a mass release --especially after the US division needed the India tech engineering team to bail them out of their failures with the P67 and H series chipsets from Sandy.

So, please quit making a fool of yourself whilst judging things you don't know. Modules and APUs are the future whether you know it or not. Intel is being stupid again by even bothering to try to maintain Dennard scaling --it's physically impossible once Moore's Law gives up the ghost. They are keeping their fab work ahead of the game, and it's that damn fab which is the only reason their shitty arches are even working at all.

Quote from jamex : Don't forget Fry's PM's Microcenter.

This. Fry's will PM anything. Bestbuy can PM more these days too, but I don't think many carry CPUs.

Quote from elecrobento : I suppose that's true. Still, I don't understand the point of an i5 with 4000 graphics. No reason to put an i5 in an HTPC or anything meant for intermediate gaming (i3 would make more sense in that realm). Well, I guess if you were planning on getting a GPU sometime in the future that would make sense.

Are you kidding me, my i5-3570K seems too weak for HTPC usage. I guess everyone's description of what HTPC is supposed to be varies greatly - I do a lot of ripping/video conversions (that takes a shit ton of juice) plus some gaming on mine. Some people do that on other systems, I don't really see the point in that (if you're just going that route then instead of a HTPC you should just have one of those little media playback boxes instead of a HTPC).

Quote from elecrobento : Maybe so, maybe not, but there certainly is a very big difference in energy usage, which I consider "real world usage" since I pay the electricity bill every month.

That's probably the biggest factor IMO, but how much that adds up to really depends on how much the system is on for - it would probably take several years to justify the cost of an upgrade if the system is only on for 2 hrs a day.

Quote from Dillweed : Somebody's going to flame on this, but here goes: Nope. Not a deal unless you have a specific need for HD 4000 (there are some content creation apps that have a distinct advantage with HD400) --Ivy has always been a bit unstable because Intel cheaped out on the construction. Also don't forget this has zero upgrade path outside of another Ivy CPU. You're better off buying Sandy with the higher quality 1155 Ivy chipsets for single GPU configurations, or grabbing LGA2011/AM3+ or even FM2. In multi-GPU, 1155 has always been a bit of a POS compared to LGA2011 or even AM3+ because of reduced lane count (lane count matters much more with GCN than with Kepler). Do yourselves a favor and don't buy into a dead platform this late in the game. Haswell won't be fitting into these sockets --and from the looks of it won't be using sockets at all...

this makes no sense to me.


ivy bridge has it's usual 20-30% increase from generation to generation. and haswell will too. the socket is "dead" but anyone planning on replacing a $200 cpu in one year for 30% increase probably isn't on slickdeals. lga2011 is going to the ivybridge-e anyways, and there is still no guarantee that the lga 2011 socket will work with the new ib-e. same with am3+. just because it's an am3+ socket doesnt mean it will take any am3+ mobo.

long story short, ivy bridge is tried and a good chip. there is nothing wrong with lga2011 or am3+, but if you're purchasing on "upgradeability" you're essentially gambling.


edit: akaik, pcie3.0 is woefully underrepresented within amd...not that it really matters at this point. the only real improvement is really with multi gpu coupled with multimonitor support.