1000LM WF-502B CREE XM-L T6 5 Mode LED Flashlight + 18650 battery + Charger $15.99 fs @ ebay via YS

Quote from xveganxcowboyx : So there are a few problems: -No way is it 1,000 lumens. Not even close. -The batteries are supposedly protected, but are probably still junk. An amazon review says they are actually 1/3 the claimed capacity. -The charger is also pretty cheap. I would be a little weary since it probably has poor charge protection and Li Ion can be dangerous is poorly regulated. All that being said, I ordered one. It should be an ok glovebox light and I will use my quality charger. At 1/10 - 1/20 the cost of a good light it's a cheap gamble.

good points. looks like this is junk, after all.

are you sure you want to rely on it? I have a bunch of hand crank led flashlights (some of them from costco) - at least i know i won't run out of juice when i need some light

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hey, xveganxcowboyx, what do you think about this product 18650 Smart Li-ion Charger and Two 3100mAh PROTECTED Orbtronic (Panasonic NCR18650A cell inside) Lithium-Ion Rechargeable Batteries Kit (NEW Version) www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004AWE2L2/? $50 but looks like a quality product

Smart charger (Newest version) is 18650 charger specially designed to charge rechargeable 18650 Lithium-Ion batteries with numerous safety features. Two Charging speeds (1A per channel, 500mA per channel) make this charger very unique. Model: Xtar WP2 II
Batteries: Protected, Orbtronic 3100mAh 18650 (real capacity). Based on Lithium-ion industrial cell made by Panasonic (model NCR18650A), Made in Japan. Protection circuit is designed by Seiko. One of the largest real capacity 18650 cells ever made. Tested, and confirmed. Two 3100mAh 3.7V (3.6V) by Orbtronic
One of the best charging kits that you can buy in USA today. Protected 3100mAh, Dual Protection 18650 Orbtronic 3100mAh Li-ion batteries (inside: Panasonic Industrial Battery Cell, Model: NCR18650A), 18650 Xtar Charger with dual settings for fast, and slow charge, model WP2 Ver. 02.
More about Charger: Two individual charging channels, Over Voltage Protection, Over Charge Protection, Over Current Protection, Proper Charging termination when batteries reach optimum charge, Auto detect defective battery cells, Short circuit protection, Auto Recharging, Model: Xtar WP2 II (Second generation, Latest Version).
More about batteries: Very safe to use, dual protection from: Over-voltage, Over-current, Over-charge, Over-discharge, Over-temperature, Short circuit protection. Please read more in details section below.

Quote from xveganxcowboyx : All that being said, I ordered one.

Are these actually brighter than the 300 lumen minicree led flashlighs that use 1 AA battery? I own about 8 of those, 6 were adopted by family and friends and I'm tempted to buy more. AA alkalines are so cheap right now and those flashlights only cost $5, but I'm tempted to upgrade and have been disappointed by other "higher lumen" Cree led's from this price range in the past.

Quote from watahboy : Are these actually brighter than the 300 lumen minicree led flashlighs that use 1 AA battery? I own about 8 of those, 6 were adopted by family and friends and I'm tempted to buy more. AA alkalines are so cheap right now and those flashlights only cost $5, but I'm tempted to upgrade and have been disappointed by other "higher lumen" Cree led's from this price range in the past.

These aren't 1000 lumen, but your minicree isn't 300. These will be brighter since they have a much more powerful power source and a more efficient LED.

People seem surprised in every LED thread.

The Chinese companies have no integrity with advertising, so they look up the emitter spec sheet and find the highest lumen rating that the emitter bin is rated for under ideal conditions, and then list the flashlight as capable of putting out that many lumens. Hence, the 1000 lumen flashlight. Can an XM-L T6 put out 1000 lumens? Yes, but only under ideal conditions in a lab. But you won't get that out the front in a flashlight for circuitry, reflector, lens, and battery reasons. Most people who are around flashlights then treat the ratings this way.

Quote from scottee : People seem surprised in every LED thread. The Chinese companies have no integrity with advertising, so they look up the emitter spec sheet and find the highest lumen rating that the emitter bin is rated for under ideal conditions, and then list the flashlight as capable of putting out that many lumens. Hence, the 1000 lumen flashlight. Can an XM-L T6 put out 1000 lumens? Yes, but only under ideal conditions in a lab. But you won't get that out the front in a flashlight for circuitry, reflector, lens, and battery reasons. Most people who are around flashlights then treat the ratings this way.

second this in very well regulated flaslights the xm-l make about 700-800 lumen so no way this cheap flaslight can even get close to 1000

Quote from w777w : good points. looks like this is junk, after all. are you sure you want to rely on it? I have a bunch of hand crank led flashlights (some of them from costco) - at least i know i won't run out of juice when i need some light EDIT: hey, xveganxcowboyx, what do you think about this product 18650 Smart Li-ion Charger and Two 3100mAh PROTECTED Orbtronic (Panasonic NCR18650A cell inside) Lithium-Ion Rechargeable Batteries Kit (NEW Version) www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004AWE2L2/? $50 but looks like a quality product Smart charger (Newest version) is 18650 charger specially designed to charge rechargeable 18650 Lithium-Ion batteries with numerous safety features. Two Charging speeds (1A per channel, 500mA per channel) make this charger very unique. Model: Xtar WP2 II Batteries: Protected, Orbtronic 3100mAh 18650 (real capacity). Based on Lithium-ion industrial cell made by Panasonic (model NCR18650A), Made in Japan. Protection circuit is designed by Seiko. One of the largest real capacity 18650 cells ever made. Tested, and confirmed. Two 3100mAh 3.7V (3.6V) by Orbtronic One of the best charging kits that you can buy in USA today. Protected 3100mAh, Dual Protection 18650 Orbtronic 3100mAh Li-ion batteries (inside: Panasonic Industrial Battery Cell, Model: NCR18650A), 18650 Xtar Charger with dual settings for fast, and slow charge, model WP2 Ver. 02. More about Charger: Two individual charging channels, Over Voltage Protection, Over Charge Protection, Over Current Protection, Proper Charging termination when batteries reach optimum charge, Auto detect defective battery cells, Short circuit protection, Auto Recharging, Model: Xtar WP2 II (Second generation, Latest Version). More about batteries: Very safe to use, dual protection from: Over-voltage, Over-current, Over-charge, Over-discharge, Over-temperature, Short circuit protection. Please read more in details section below.

The link didn't work, but it sounds decent based on the description. Multiple charging channels, good protection. Of course the reliability of the claims should be verified. I would look for some reviews. As we've seen with the batteries here manufacturers can claim anything they want....

I'm also nothing close to an expert on the subject so all my thoughts should be taken with only the authority of a moderately interested amateur in lights.

Quote from satanslover :

Right? Kind of sad. It's mostly because I've never had a cheap Chinese light before and I want to give it a try. A nicely modded, sphere tested, legitimate 500+ lumen OTF, high CRI light should be arriving around the same time. I have no illusions that this Ultrafire will hold a candle (ba-dum-dum!) to it or even a cheaper light like a Fenix. It will find a use though. They all do. Even if that use is just dissection and testing.

Quote from scottee : People seem surprised in every LED thread. The Chinese companies have no integrity with advertising, so they look up the emitter spec sheet and find the highest lumen rating that the emitter bin is rated for under ideal conditions, and then list the flashlight as capable of putting out that many lumens. Hence, the 1000 lumen flashlight. Can an XM-L T6 put out 1000 lumens? Yes, but only under ideal conditions in a lab. But you won't get that out the front in a flashlight for circuitry, reflector, lens, and battery reasons. Most people who are around flashlights then treat the ratings this way.

Quite right. Tested on top spec bin, at instant on not after it's been running, with a power supply much more capable than the driver that's actually in the light and with a battery actually capable of delivering the power necessary to attain this (without exploding).

On top of that most of the numbers claimed are EMITTER lumens. That means nothing. The light that actually makes it out the front of the lens to actually be able to illuminate something is what's important.


Fortunately what the manufacturer says means nothing, because we can generally verify what we are ACTUALLY getting. I would ignore the manufacturers claims entirely and encourage people to make buying decisions based on the known product. I think there is some value in a cheap, reasonably high output light for next to nothing, but people should not be expecting more than that.

Quote from xveganxcowboyx : Right? Kind of sad. It's mostly because I've never had a cheap Chinese light before and I want to give it a try. A nicely modded, sphere tested, legitimate 500+ lumen OTF, high CRI light should be arriving around the same time. I have no illusions that this Ultrafire will hold a candle (ba-dum-dum!) to it or even a cheaper light like a Fenix. It will find a use though. They all do. Even if that use is just dissection and testing.

I have lots of cheap lights and some more expensive lights (like Fenix). I prefer the cheap lights because they're 85% of the performance/quality at 30% of the price. The specs are utter bullshit though. If you can get over that then you can enjoy these cheap lights for what they are. Some people seem to have a problem with it though.

This should be a good light for anyone who's never owned a flashlight that cost more than $20.
If I didn't already have those batteries and a charger, I would get it myself.

thanks, will give this a try op

I pulled the trigger. I have been wanting to try out the 18650 batteries and this seems like a good way to get one with a decent light. I bought one of those costco deals with 3 200 lumen lights in a pack. They were really good, but one never worked. I'll see how this goes. Thank OP.

Quote from w777w : found another flashlight offered by the same seller, brand TRUSTFIRE (lol) http://www.ebay.com/itm/120948610531 New 3800 Lumen 3x CREE XM-L T6 LED Flashlight 5 Mode + 18650 battery + Charger for $37.99 holy cow, 3800 lumen!!! is this even feasible? I suspect if such efficiency is attainable we soon get 1000mpg equivalent hybrids

The XM-L can do 1200 lumens with the proper heatsinking. So, at the emitter, you could have over 3000 with three of them.

When something is too good to be true, you know what to expect. Price is good but I doubt the claims and quality. Saving my money for something better.

Quote from scottee : People seem surprised in every LED thread. The Chinese companies have no integrity with advertising, so they look up the emitter spec sheet and find the highest lumen rating that the emitter bin is rated for under ideal conditions, and then list the flashlight as capable of putting out that many lumens. Hence, the 1000 lumen flashlight. Can an XM-L T6 put out 1000 lumens? Yes, but only under ideal conditions in a lab. But you won't get that out the front in a flashlight for circuitry, reflector, lens, and battery reasons. Most people who are around flashlights then treat the ratings this way.

Quote from xveganxcowboyx : Fortunately what the manufacturer says means nothing, because we can generally verify what we are ACTUALLY getting. I would ignore the manufacturers claims entirely and encourage people to make buying decisions based on the known product. I think there is some value in a cheap, reasonably high output light for next to nothing, but people should not be expecting more than that.

Quote from satanslover : I have lots of cheap lights and some more expensive lights (like Fenix). I prefer the cheap lights because they're 85% of the performance/quality at 30% of the price. The specs are utter bullshit though. If you can get over that then you can enjoy these cheap lights for what they are. Some people seem to have a problem with it though.

Very well said by all. In fact so much so, that I think every cheap chinese flashlight thread from here forward should be prefaced with these quotes. The lumen bashing responses get old real quick on these threads. It's a $10 flashlight (in this case $16 with charger and Batts) this one and some of the other recent $10 flashlight deals posted recently will be the brightest flashlight you can currently buy for $10 period. No, it's not the same quality as a Fenix or 4sevens or streamlight but they're also 1/4 of the cost or less.

Unless you are an absolute flashlight snob, you will be shocked at how bright these cheap chinese flashlights are for the money. However, I think most flashlight snobs even appreciate these cheapies for what they are..... very bright flashlights for the money.