bought a messed up car:(

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Quote from zzyzzx : Yes, this!!! In fact I'd say count your blessings if they take the car back!

I would still take a moment and look at the lemon law. Florida also has a list of vehicles that have been declared lemons. If the damage is that bad, you should see if the insurance company paid off and marked it salvage. Did you get the title yet? Can you do a title search? Not online, in person at the title bureau. The dealer may have royally screwed up - badly damaged, subframe in bad shape, other parts bent. This is no common fender bender. This was a serious accident. The car might not even be allowed on the road in its current condition.

I think OP may have a good case. Florida has lemon laws on the books. If an authorized dealer knowingly sold a dangerous and salvaged vehicle, then they may be liable. Florida Lemon laws usually don't include accidents except when sold by an authorized dealer. I think OP needs to do some research into the real history of the vehicle. I wouldn't trust the dealer. You might be able to ask for your money back and go find a better (accident free) car in the color your wife likes. And ask yourself why is the dealer so eager to make you a better trader? Newer car with less miles? Is the value comparable?

Quote from StarNova : I would still take a moment and look at the lemon law. Florida also has a list of vehicles that have been declared lemons. If the damage is that bad, you should see if the insurance company paid off and marked it salvage. Did you get the title yet? Can you do a title search? Not online, in person at the title bureau. The dealer may have royally screwed up - badly damaged, subframe in bad shape, other parts bent. This is no common fender bender. This was a serious accident. The car might not even be allowed on the road in its current condition. I think OP may have a good case. Florida has lemon laws on the books. If an authorized dealer knowingly sold a dangerous and salvaged vehicle, then they may be liable. Florida Lemon laws usually don't include accidents except when sold by an authorized dealer. I think OP needs to do some research into the real history of the vehicle. I wouldn't trust the dealer. You might be able to ask for your money back and go find a better (accident free) car in the color your wife likes. And ask yourself why is the dealer so eager to make you a better trader? Newer car with less miles? Is the value comparable?

I doubt OP has a case at all, like I figured. Doesn't apply to used cars.

Quote : The Lemon Law covers defects or conditions that substantially impair the use, value or safety of a new or demonstrator vehicle (these are called "nonconformities"). These defects must be first reported to the manufacturer or its authorized service agent (usually, this is the dealer) during the "Lemon Law Rights Period," which is the first 24 months after the date of delivery of the motor vehicle to the consumer.

http://myfloridalegal.com/__85256...,lemon,law

(PS: Florida's AG is surprisingly attractive)

Quote from Jabbit : something something arson something something

You just reminded me that I saved a link to that car dealer on fire pic:



I've been waiting for en excuse to post it again.

Quote from Frogstar : http://myfloridalegal.com/__85256...,lemon,law (PS: Florida's AG is surprisingly attractive)

I'd give her a Lemon Law....


I don't know what that is supposed to mean

Quote from Frogstar : I doubt OP has a case at all, like I figured. Doesn't apply to used cars. http://myfloridalegal.com/__85256...,lemon,law (PS: Florida's AG is surprisingly attractive)

You're right. What a crappy lemon law. But can the dealer legally sell a vehicle with a bent subframe, other bent parts, and seriously damaged without notifying the seller? The dealer failed to disclose any of the problems. Could that be considered fraud?

"Lemon laws protect new car buyers in every state in the nation, but it's far more common for used-car buyers to get stuck with an unreliable vehicle, or to incur repair bills that cost more than the car. For such unfortunate consumers, it often goes downhill from there. Owners of lemons, as these cars are often called, must still make car payments while their vehicle sits idle. One-sided arbitration clauses — built into practically every dealer's vehicle sales contract — work to keep many used-car buyers from taking a case to court. Finally, a buyer may have to prove that the vehicle's problems existed prior to the sale in order to get some compensation. These factors plus the subject's complexity leave many consumers in the lurch. "Many of these cars are dangerous to drive," says John Van Alst, used-car fraud expert with the National Consumer Law Center. "Even if not, when a car becomes inoperable, it becomes a liability instead of an asset." Although it's not always the case, some of these used lemons are sold fraudulently, such as when a dealer fails to disclose the vehicle's history, misrepresents the vehicle title or tampers with the odometer. Often, these dealers prey on the most vulnerable, low-income segment of the population.

http://www.edmunds.com/auto-warra...th-it.html

Probably need to be able to prove that they knowingly failed to disclose. Not sure how likely that is.

Quote from Frogstar : Probably need to be able to prove that they knowingly failed to disclose. Not sure how likely that is.

Well went home with. 2012 ford fusion with 21k miles...7 bucks more a month so I'm not gonna hire a lawyer for that... Just glad I don't have a wrecked car anymore! Thanks for all the help! Oh and got a full tank of gas and my windows tinted

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Have a lawyer write a letter. Don't threaten to sue on your own.

The kind of damage described by the dealer is so serious it should have been caught by the seller because repairs are almost always easily detectable and are rarely done 100% properly. No car dealer does favors for customers.

CarFax is BS, a good mechanic's inspection is truth.

Major collision repair is almost never done 100% right and tends to be pretty obvious to anybody who looks at the car. Didn't you see the 20/20 episode where a car with a clean CarFax had been in a big crash? (link [go.com]) Even cars that have been cubed in a crusher have had clean CarFax reports.

People still watch 20/20?

Quote from liftedpsd2010 : Well went home with. 2012 ford fusion with 21k miles...7 bucks more a month so I'm not gonna hire a lawyer for that... Just glad I don't have a wrecked car anymore! Thanks for all the help! Oh and got a full tank of gas and my windows tinted Sent from the official Slickdeals App for iPhone & iPod Touch.

Sounds good. 1 year newer and 30k less miles. A 2 year old car with 50k miles is one that was heavily driven. I think you made out reasonably well. Congrats.

How much total paid op? Just curious about those cars pricing
Economical.

Quote from Legionnaire : Look into lemon laws in your state. Ak has none so you'd be screwed here.

Yes it does, it just doesn't apply to used vehicles. I know a few people back there who have used the lemon laws to their advantage with new vehicles.

Quote from Frogstar : People still watch 20/20?

Smart people know the answer to that, but the show has changed since the Robert Hughes days.