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Nest Learning Thermostat (1st Generation) EXPIRED

calistyle 11,134 48,502 March 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM in Home & Home Improvement (7) More Amazon Deals
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Promoted 03-25-2013 by brisar at 08:15 AM View Original Post
Amazon.com has Nest Learning Thermostat 1st Generation (T100577) for $179 with free shipping. Thanks calistyle

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Edited March 25, 2013 at 02:26 AM by calistyle
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Last Edited by cgrady March 26, 2013 at 12:16 AM
See if you will NEED the 2nd Generation Nest:
http://widgets.nest.com/compatibility/

Warranty:
1st Gen Nest carries a 5 year warranty
2nd Gen is 2 years

Check your local electric company for rebates. In my state, they offer a $100 rebate for this.

MA/NH gas companies also include a $100 rebate (up to 2 per household) for this: http://www.gasnetworks.com/effici...Rebate.pdf

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For MA and RI residents National Grid has a rebate of 50% off up to $100.

So after rebate the price comes to $89.50 which is SUPER SLICK.

https://www1.nationalgridus.com/W...tRI-RI-RES
https://www1.nationalgridus.com/W...tMA-MA-RES

Check your local residential gas or electricity supplier for similar rebates.

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Ameren Illinois Residential Heating customers can get a $25 rebate: http://www.actonenergy.com/portals/0/forms/rebate-form-stat.pdf [actonenergy.com]

Ameren Missouri appears to allow $25, two per household.
Form: http://www.ameren.com/sites/AUE/U...at2013.pdf


People's Gas or North Shore Gas Illinois customers can get a $50 rebate (up to 2 per household)
http://www.peoplesgasdelivery.com/home/pdf/rebates_residential_hvac.pdf [peoplesgasdelivery.com]

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#181
Quote from Strmtrper6 View Post :
These are a great idea, but why in the hell would you use optical recognition for auto-away?

The thing has wifi. Phone in range? User is home.

Rather not have to walk all the way down the hallway and wave to the thing to make sure Nest knows we're still around.
Good but not practical idea. WiFi spec does not support such function.
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#182
Quote from Deal Hound View Post :
I'm with you, Count. It must be nice to have so much money that you can spend $179 on a thermostat.
It's not about having a ton of money and buying something frivolous. Purchasing this is about SAVING money. I had a programmable thermostat before getting a nest in November and it'll pay for itself in another couple months.

Everyone - If you don't think it'll save you money then don't get it... but I've seen the differences in my bill so...you can either take a cynic's perspective that it's dumb or the word of someone who owns one and sees the result with each bill.
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#183
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Does your <$50 programmable thermostat have sensors in it that can tell when you're not home and turn itself off? Can you change the temperature or schedule remotely? Does it tell you when you're actually being efficient? Does it email you a monthly report?

There's a lot more value to the nest than meets the eye. It is WAY more than just a programmable thermostat.
Here are the answers to all your questions...

1) Doesn't need sensors because that's what the programming is for, you program the times you won't be home. If you leave for vacation, you click one button to adjust for vacation mode.

2) No need to change the temperature remotely, why would you need that?

3 & 4) Although nice, they're just more statistics that don't justify the high price of the unit.
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#184
Quote from JasonD18 View Post :
It can't tell the activity in each room. One day I was in my office for several hours and the Nest went to auto-away.

In my experience, I think it takes about two hours of no activity in the room with the Nest for the auto-away to activate. I would assume this operates on the assumption that your thermostat will be centrally located and you will likely pass by it at least every two hours.
Very good input. That's what I thought, an timer on the activity sensor is the cheapest and simplest solution. However, the threshold is tricky. If too small, it annoying since it could be off too often when you are away from its sensor. If too large, it actually doesn't save much.
2 Hours seems a reasonable threshold, as far as your Nest located in an "hotpot"
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#185
Nice deal
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#186
In for one. Wife and I work 9-5 but have irregular evening and weekend schedules. Auto-away should help us save (at least that is how I justify this new toy)
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Mine is a 1st gen and it supports our heat pump just fine. And when they uploaded the software recently, there was some feature that was added for heat pumps. Don't recall what it was.
you are right. I thought it was heat pump, but the 1st gen doesn't support 3 stage HVAC systems, like mine, which is Geothermal.
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#188
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We have 2nd gen and are happy with it. My wife does not like when it raises the temperature by itself. I wish it had and easy temprature hold setting.
I guess this is because its false "auto-away" while your wife is still at home. The unit must be in a location that your wife doesn't pass often.
Your experience supports my doubt about the effectiveness of "auto-away" function
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#189
MN has a $25 rebate ... better then nothing!

http://www.centerpointenergy.com/...0aRCRD/MN/
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#190
I don't know if it is mentioned, I own a nest and the best feature I like is the airwave. In Florida, the a/c is constantly on 10/12 months of the year. With airwave, when it is 1 degree away from reaching the set temperature, it turns off the a/c and circulate the remaining cold air released from the coils using the a/c fan. That about 15 minutes of cold air being circulated in the house where other thermostats just shuts off and cold air just dissipates. So if the a/c is on 5-6 times a day, that more than a hour of energy savings per day. Also, I have the nest shut down at night, so my family can use the room's fan. I saved a lot of money on the monthly electic bill because of the nest. So I hope this helps some people on the fence buying it.
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#191
Quote from superxiaojie View Post :
Many people are talking about the "auto-away" function. I have a PhD in electrical engineering, yet not able to figure out a practical algorithm for the Nest to detect whether there is anyone in the house.
Say, you go out for a lunch on Sunday for 3 hours, versus you are reading books in your study room where the sensor of Nest cannot reach. Don't tell me that the Nest is SO smart that knows the activity in every room with only one unit (no matter how high tech its sensor is) mounted on the wall!
How can the Nest tell the difference between these two events? You don't want or AC/Heater auto-off when you are still in your house.
Any Nest buyer tell me under what condition the "auto-away" kicks in?
The 1st Gen detects away in a span of 2 hours. The 2nd gen only needs 30 minutes to tell if you're away. I might go 3 or 4 hours without going near my thermostat when I work from home and it has never auto-away'd while I am working. I have wondered if it has audio sensors and can hear me on phone calls and what not? I am not sure how it works.


Quote from 722 View Post :
Here are the answers to all your questions...

1) Doesn't need sensors because that's what the programming is for, you program the times you won't be home. If you leave for vacation, you click one button to adjust for vacation mode.

2) No need to change the temperature remotely, why would you need that?

3 & 4) Although nice, they're just more statistics that don't justify the high price of the unit.
I don't know about you, but I work from home most of the time. When I do go into the office, it is on a somewhat unpredictable schedule. I'd hate having to tweak the thermostat on those weeks where I might go in 2 or 3 times unexpectedly, or when I go out in the evenings and don't really need the system on. Sometimes I forget to turn the thermostat off when I go on vacation or business trips. Maybe I turned the system off completely and an unexpected freeze is coming and I need to turn my unit on to keep my pipes from bursting? If you never go away from home, or do so infrequently, maybe it doesn't matter. But my schedule is just unpredictable enough that the auto-away is the only real thing that I like about my Nest. The rest is pretty standard.
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#192
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What do you use to get the outside temp?
probably the internet, or a digital thermometer such as

http://dx.com/p/usb-digital-therm...ature-7003
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Any rebate for AZ? SRP?
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5-year warranty is money... likely if this needs replacement in the next 5 years you'll get auto upgraded to a higher model
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#195
Are those that good besides looking cool and being able to monitor/control remotely? I'm hearing mixed reviews of living a life of it's own when it comes to making decisions, which down the line reflect negatively on the utility bills.
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