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Amazon.com has Nest Learning Thermostat 1st Generation (T100577) for $179 with free shipping. Thanks calistyle

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Edited March 25, 2013 at 02:26 AM by calistyle
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Last Edited by cgrady March 26, 2013 at 12:16 AM
See if you will NEED the 2nd Generation Nest:
http://widgets.nest.com/compatibility/

Warranty:
1st Gen Nest carries a 5 year warranty
2nd Gen is 2 years

Check your local electric company for rebates. In my state, they offer a $100 rebate for this.

MA/NH gas companies also include a $100 rebate (up to 2 per household) for this: http://www.gasnetworks.com/effici...Rebate.pdf

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For MA and RI residents National Grid has a rebate of 50% off up to $100.

So after rebate the price comes to $89.50 which is SUPER SLICK.

https://www1.nationalgridus.com/W...tRI-RI-RES
https://www1.nationalgridus.com/W...tMA-MA-RES

Check your local residential gas or electricity supplier for similar rebates.

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Ameren Illinois Residential Heating customers can get a $25 rebate: http://www.actonenergy.com/portals/0/forms/rebate-form-stat.pdf [actonenergy.com]

Ameren Missouri appears to allow $25, two per household.
Form: http://www.ameren.com/sites/AUE/U...at2013.pdf


People's Gas or North Shore Gas Illinois customers can get a $50 rebate (up to 2 per household)
http://www.peoplesgasdelivery.com/home/pdf/rebates_residential_hvac.pdf [peoplesgasdelivery.com]

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#121
i got this for free by using stacking coupons on lowes (which is now dead) and then getting the 100 MA wifi rebate from national grid. We recently finished our basement which included a couple hvac runs. We can now control the temp when we are in the basement even though the thermistat is on the 1st floor.
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#122
Quote from cisach View Post :
Savings? Imagine you go out for dinner, say 10 times a month. That's HOURS of heating/cooling saved. It adds up.
I'm going to go out to eat everynight! Think of the savings!!!
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#123
I read that 1st gen Nest will forget settings after a power loss. Whereas the 2nd fixes that. This is important for people who have a home in cold freezing areas where pipes may freeze due to settings not being remembered.
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Quote from yazyazoo View Post :
I read that 1st gen Nest will forget settings after a power loss. Whereas the 2nd fixes that. This is important for people who have a home in cold freezing areas where pipes may freeze due to settings not being remembered.
The Nest has an emergency heat setting where it will turn on the heat to prevent such an occurrence, even if the system is set to off. I forget the exact rules for that, there is a way to disable it, but even if it loses power it should never let the temp go below that floor, which defaults to 40 degrees F.
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that sounds about right..
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#125
GAH! tax kills it for me Frown $195 is too much.
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#126
Some things, now that I've had my Nest for over a year.

I've never had it lose settings after a power outage. It does have a built in battery backup which recharges. My programmable Honeywell had AA's to serve this purpose.

This past winter on average was 1 degree colder per month, some were 2 degrees colder. My energy usage was actually reduced this year. This is somewhat subjective, since other items in the house contribute to energy usage, but with a teenager in the house, the showers are getting longer and I have a less efficient hot water heater than I had the year before. I will also add that the Nest replaced a very aggressively programmed Honeywell with Energy Efficient Recovery.

Biggest point as others have said is the remote control. Which can be a downfall too. Last week, coming back from a five hour road trip, I turned the heat up. After two hours, auto away kicks in. So it started falling back to the min I have set. I happened to check in, and it asked if I wanted to turn off auto away right now, and I of course said yes. I wish it was a bit easier to override this.

I think that you can turn on auto away manually, but there are times when I run home for lunch to grab something, and it senses that I'm home and heats the house for two hours until it senses I'm not there.
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#127
Quote from yazyazoo View Post :
I read that 1st gen Nest will forget settings after a power loss. Whereas the 2nd fixes that. This is important for people who have a home in cold freezing areas where pipes may freeze due to settings not being remembered.
Buy a small, cheap thermostat and hook it up in parallel with your nest. (you can hide the cheap one near furnace itself) Set the cheap thermostat as low as it can go. Right above freezing - ~40 degrees to be safe. Lowest mine can go is actually 41, but I'm not sure I want it to be any colder for fear of cold spots in the house.

When the nest loses power, you will have a backup thermostat that can run on double AAs that you only have to switch out maybe once a year.
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#128
So will this thing learn the schedule of a crazy person? I work a 6 week rotation where I work nights then days then afternoons. I'm afraid it won't be able to keep up.
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#129
This is lukewarm at best. You can go on ebay and get a 2nd gen for $200-210. I think it is worth the extra $20-$30 to get the 2nd gen. The 2nd gen is much simpler to install and is compatible with more heating and cooling systems than the 1st gen. Make sure the 1st gen is compatible with your system before purchasing.
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#130
We have radiant floor heat, going to give it a try (plus $100 rebate helps!)

The true-radiant explanation seems valid, and is exactly what happens at my house (we don't use setbacks, but heat still over/under shoots). I hope it's smart enough to learn the temp swings based on exterior temp/weather.....

Now the real question...how would 10 of them work ;-) (we have up to ten zones, but I have them combined to only 4 at the present time - the nest will handle the large living area...if it works might get many..) Not a cost justification as much as a comfort justification.
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Agreed. I also have the first gen and it's awesome!
Thanks for the info. Also I live in Ohio and I called Columbia Gas and they dont have it listed on their website but said it SHOULD qualify. Its only a $25 rebate.
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#132
Ecobee ftw
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Quote from JasonD18 View Post :
1) The point of every thermostat is to control the AC/heat. Turn the heat on when it gets too cold and turn the AC on when it gets too hot. The Nest doesn't break any new ground here.

2) The Nest is NOT designed to keep the house at a constant temperature. Most people either don't have or don't use a programmable thermostat, and do set what they have to a constant temp. This results in a lot of extra usage, such as the AC/heat running when nobody is home. The point of the Nest is to run only when necessary. Personally I used to keep the house at a constant 69F. Now that I have a Nest, I let the temp drop to 64F at night or when I'm not a home. Saves quite a bit of money.

3) The remote control feature of the Nest is one of it's biggest features and main selling points. Suppose your Nest has learned to heat your house to 70F by 5:30p when you get home from work. Suppose you leave early one day and would rather come home to a warm house rather than waiting until 5:30p for the heat to kick on. This is where the remote control feature is used.

4) You're SUPPOSED to adjust your Nest, either in person or remotely. The entire point of the Nest is that it learns your schedule and will learn to adjust itself accordingly. During the first two weeks or so, you adjust the temperature whenever you need to, such as leaving for work, coming home, night time, etc. The Nest will learn your behavior and begin to set it's own schedule based on that. Otherwise, you can just program a schedule into the Nest and never touch it again. However, this would be missing the point of a learning thermostat.

I've had my Nest (2nd gen) for about four months now and LOVE it. It's really made me conscious of how much I'm running my furnace. Also, the first two gas bills I've had since installing the Nest have been lower than the previous year, and not just by price, but by MCFs used. This despite the fact the average temperature has been lower this year than last. I expect to see similar results in the summer.

At this price, even for a 1st gen, I'd recommend one.
I still don't understand why someone would even pay $150 for this. I've set the thermostat to 69 when people are home and 65 at night. There is no reason to change it all the time with the remote feature. However, the usage reports would be nice, but not $170 nice.
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#134
For MA and RI residents National Grid has a rebate of 50% off up to $100.

So after rebate the price comes to $89.50 which is SUPER SLICK.

https://www1.nationalgridus.com/W...tRI-RI-RES
https://www1.nationalgridus.com/W...tMA-MA-RES

Check your local residental gas or electricity supplied for similar rebates.
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#135
Quote from Bemis View Post :
Very tempting to a gadget lover like myself, but I am guessing it's not worth it for me. I average $121 year-round for gas/electric bill, for a four bedroom, two story house in Iowa. Auto away feature looks like it wouldn't work properly in my house either, as the thermostat is located in the rarely-used formal dining room, on a wall that doesn't see into any other rooms.

Just throwing this out there as something to think about if you already have reasonable energy bills w/a programmable thermostat.
Fun fact, you can move your thermostat! Who wouldathunked?
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