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Retaining 3G Unlimited Plan - Upgrading to 4G device Verizon

riffdex 60 11 January 19, 2014 at 07:35 AM
I am currently a Verizon customer (out of contract) with an iPhone 4 on an unlimited 3G data plan. I am very confused as to how I can get onto a 4G device. I am considering buying a 4G device out of contract and activating it to use, without changing my plan at all or signing up for a 2 year contract. I do not have a SIM card so I don't understand how I could get the new phone to work without a SIM card. I am confused as to if I will be required to upgrade to a 4G data plan to get the SIM card and to use the 4G device. I was also reading online that there is some method that I could retain my current plan, upgrading to the 4G device, and I would end up with unlimited data still, but have 4G data unlimited as well. If anyone can please offer some insight I would really appreciate the help.

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Have you checked how much data you are actually using? You may be better off on a metered plan and getting a 400 subsidy on the phone...
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Have you checked how much data you are actually using? You may be better off on a metered plan and getting a 400 subsidy on the phone...
I have checked it out, and while I'm not using an extraordinary amount of data, I refuse to sign up for another 2-year with Verizon. Additionally, if I do end up with 4G data my usage will increase dramatically. (At this point, my data plan of 3G is only really good for quick google searches, not videos etc)
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I have checked it out, and while I'm not using an extraordinary amount of data, I refuse to sign up for another 2-year with Verizon. Additionally, if I do end up with 4G data my usage will increase dramatically. (At this point, my data plan of 3G is only really good for quick google searches, not videos etc)
if you intend to leave verizon then you may as well do it now...it makes no sense because you wont be able to use the phone you buy with another carrier. If you intend to stay you may as well sign the contract and get the subsidy. Honestly i doubt you will exceed you data limit even if you go to 4g, unless you sit and watch movies each day. Even if you do exceed it you can retroactively bump up your plan just for one month if you need to....
Do you have a single line plan? family plan? what is your monthly average data usage now?
Edit, how much are you paying now monthy?
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I'm not signing a two year because I want to upgrade to a new phone in a year and I do not want to wait another two years. I would just buy the Galaxy S4 under contract but I don't see the point in buying a 10 month old phone when the S5 will be out by Feb or March. If I updated to an S4, I would just have a phone that will be obsolete in 2 months and no chance of updating for another two years. I would only agree to a 2-year contract if I'm getting a brand new, top of the line phone. But I cannot use my current phone anymore as it is constantly crashing and unreliable.

Therefore, I am going to buy a USED Galaxy S3 for ~$200 (basically just as good as the S4) and use it for maybe a year or so. It will be leagues better than my three year old iPhone 4. In a year I will consider updating to the newest top of the line phone as soon as it comes out, but I am not going to commit to a new 2-year contract just to get a 10 month old Galaxy S4.
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if you intend to leave verizon then you may as well do it now...it makes no sense because you wont be able to use the phone you buy with another carrier. If you intend to stay you may as well sign the contract and get the subsidy. Honestly i doubt you will exceed you data limit even if you go to 4g, unless you sit and watch movies each day. Even if you do exceed it you can retroactively bump up your plan just for one month if you need to....
Do you have a single line plan? family plan? what is your monthly average data usage now?
Edit, how much are you paying now monthy?
Depending on the phone he picks (iPhone 5 / 5C / 5S, Galaxy S3 / S4), he could easily use those devices on AT&T or T-Mobile (the 5S being the best compatible)

His data usage will defintely go up, considering he went from a 1-1.5mbit connection to 20-30mbit hahaha
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I'm not signing a two year because I want to upgrade to a new phone in a year and I do not want to wait another two years. I would just buy the Galaxy S4 under contract but I don't see the point in buying a 10 month old phone when the S5 will be out by Feb or March. If I updated to an S4, I would just have a phone that will be obsolete in 2 months and no chance of updating for another two years. I would only agree to a 2-year contract if I'm getting a brand new, top of the line phone. But I cannot use my current phone anymore as it is constantly crashing and unreliable.

Therefore, I am going to buy a USED Galaxy S3 for ~$200 (basically just as good as the S4) and use it for maybe a year or so. It will be leagues better than my three year old iPhone 4. In a year I will consider updating to the newest top of the line phone as soon as it comes out, but I am not going to commit to a new 2-year contract just to get a 10 month old Galaxy S4.
Sounds like a good plan! Walk into a Verizon store and ask them to activate your phone. They will give you a new SIM card (if you're lucky, you don't have to pay, but it might end up being $10-$20). Make sure they don't change your plan to a metered plan and have it still say unlimited.

Also, since June 2012, you realize that if you were to sign up for a 2 year contract and use an upgrade phone subsidy, they will force you to change your plan to a metered plan (no more unlimited). There have been 2 instances last year in Sept and Oct 2013 where there was a "computer glitch" that allowed users to upgrade and keep their unlimited when signing up online.
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buy Verizon iphone 5 on ebay or Samsung galaxcy 3

Verizon will not allow nexus 5 on its network

you could get moto x
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key work around / fix to keep the 3G unlimited plan. First one must change the grandfathered 3G plan from 3G to 4G by borrowing a friend's 4G phone then removing his SIM card and activating his phone (or retail phone) on your service line. Note: if you don't already have a SIM card, you can bring your friends phone into a Verizon store and ask to activate it which should get you a free SIM card. When Verizon activates your SIM for the phone they will convert the 3G service to 4G LTE and thereafter, you can move that SIM from device to device and retain your new upgraded 4G unlimited data plan (and the friend can have their phone back so he can return it back to his service after he reinstalls his SIM card). That the complete procedure.


http://answers.yahoo.com/question...228AAvhMhy
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key work around / fix to keep the 3G unlimited plan. First one must change the grandfathered 3G plan from 3G to 4G by borrowing a friend's 4G phone then removing his SIM card and activating his phone (or retail phone) on your service line. Note: if you don't already have a SIM card, you can bring your friends phone into a Verizon store and ask to activate it which should get you a free SIM card. When Verizon activates your SIM for the phone they will convert the 3G service to 4G LTE and thereafter, you can move that SIM from device to device and retain your new upgraded 4G unlimited data plan (and the friend can have their phone back so he can return it back to his service after he reinstalls his SIM card). That the complete procedure.


http://answers.yahoo.com/question...228AAvhMhy
How will this affect the friend's 4G phone or service? Only 4G device I can think of is my mother's work phone. I could probably use it just to get my 4G SIM card set up but would the phone go right back to normal (her work's cell plan) as soon as the original SIM card is reinstalled? It's not like I could call up Verizon and have them reactivate her work cellphone plan. Also, don't see why I need to use a different 4G cell phone - could I not just use my 4G device (that I purchase out of contract) to achieve the same thing?
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1)How will this affect the friend's 4G phone or service?
Only 4G device I can think of is my mother's work phone. I could probably use it just to get my 4G SIM card set up but

2) would the phone go right back to normal (her work's cell plan) as soon as the original SIM card is reinstalled? It's not like I could call up Verizon and have them reactivate her work cellphone plan.

3) Also, don't see why I need to use a different 4G cell phone - could I not just use my 4G device (that I purchase out of contract) to achieve the same thing?
When he puts his SIM back, it'll be back to normal
Yes
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Not sure what good the whole use a friend's phone is supposed to do.

You don't have a SIM now. You will get a SIM when you go to 4G. As far as I know, as long as you don't allow Verizon to subsidize your phone - ie: buy it yourself - then you can still keep your grandfathered plan. So buy a 4G phone, do a phone replacement online and I think they will just send you the SIM. Once you are SIM based you can changed phones whenever you want by swapping the SIM.

If you stream music you will use way more then 1 GB/month. So you definitely want to keep your grandfathered plan. I use 4-5GB/month I am on the unlimited plan with 3 phones all use 4-5GB/month.

Also I am not sure how in the hell going to any of Verizon's "screw everyone" plans that you will ever be better off. You pay $29.95 for unlimited now. Their cheapest 1GB plan is $30.
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Not sure what good the whole use a friend's phone is supposed to do.

You don't have a SIM now. You will get a SIM when you go to 4G. As far as I know, as long as you don't allow Verizon to subsidize your phone - ie: buy it yourself - then you can still keep your grandfathered plan. So buy a 4G phone, do a phone replacement online and I think they will just send you the SIM. Once you are SIM based you can changed phones whenever you want by swapping the SIM.

If you stream music you will use way more then 1 GB/month. So you definitely want to keep your grandfathered plan. I use 4-5GB/month I am on the unlimited plan with 3 phones all use 4-5GB/month.

Also I am not sure how in the hell going to any of Verizon's "screw everyone" plans that you will ever be better off. You pay $29.95 for unlimited now. Their cheapest 1GB plan is $30.
So it's not necessary to go in to the Verizon store to get my SIM card? I can do it online? The way I see it, less human interaction, less chance a dumb Verizon rep is going to end up f*cking me over by getting me on some new contract (intentionally or not). I just assumed if I go on MyVerizon and tell it I want to switch to a 4G phone, it will say my current plan is not compatible with the new phone and make me change my plan.

On a side note, I went ahead and ordered a used Galaxy S3 so waiting on that. One thing I wanted to do is use the Galaxy for a year and monitor how much data I am using with 4G access and then decide if I want to go to Verizon's screw everyone plan, which I would like to avoid if at all possible...

EDIT: Do I need the physical phone available to go online and get my SIM ordered? Can I go online now and order it so it will be in the mail around when I get my phone delivered? If I go online to do this, will it affect my current iPhone 4 service in the meantime until I get the new phone set up?
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I'm not signing a two year because I want to upgrade to a new phone in a year and I do not want to wait another two years. I would just buy the Galaxy S4 under contract but I don't see the point in buying a 10 month old phone when the S5 will be out by Feb or March. If I updated to an S4, I would just have a phone that will be obsolete in 2 months and no chance of updating for another two years. I would only agree to a 2-year contract if I'm getting a brand new, top of the line phone. But I cannot use my current phone anymore as it is constantly crashing and unreliable.

Therefore, I am going to buy a USED Galaxy S3 for ~$200 (basically just as good as the S4) and use it for maybe a year or so. It will be leagues better than my three year old iPhone 4. In a year I will consider updating to the newest top of the line phone as soon as it comes out, but I am not going to commit to a new 2-year contract just to get a 10 month old Galaxy S4.
If you buy something used off of ebay or CL, make sure that it will activate and is not blacklisted. Sometimes, ebay sellers will give you the phone's ESN or IMEI prior to purchasing, which you can run through a blacklist checker. If you buy a phone that was reported as stolen, or from someone who hadn't paid their bill, the ESN could be blacklisted by the carrier. In the event you buy a phone from someone who hasn't paid their bill, I've heard that Verizon will require that the bill be settled, either by you or the original owner before that phone can be activated.

Sometimes, the seller won't give you the ESN or IMEI to check before-hand. I think as long as the listing says "guaranteed to activate", "good ESN", or something similar, you'd be protected by eBay/Paypal. I bought my Galaxy S3 and Galaxy S4 off of eBay, and both times they went smoothly. For the S3, the seller gave me the ESN ahead of time that I checked myself. For the S4, it said "clean ESN" in the listing, so I figured I'd be protected if it ended up blacklisted.
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