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Router degrading internet speed.

YanksIn2009 3,107 773 January 31, 2014 at 08:33 AM
OK, I noticed with my Optimum online that I am paying for 101 down\35 up with (ultra 101), that I was really getting about 50-60 down and 15 up. So when I called to see if they could tell me why, they had me connect one of my PCs directly to the cable modem and bypass my router. And sure enough I would see 100/35 at that point.

Now my router is an older wireless N router with 100 Mbit ports. I am assuming the combination of additional traffic on my network and the 100 Mbit ports is slowing my speed down some (though 50-60/15 internet speed is still plenty fast). I am looking into getting a new router with AC900 capability and gigabit ports (been too lazy to have to deal with all the fuss), so the real question is am I likely to see that also improve the speed performance to the internet or is the degradation more likely do to some firewall settings or the router firmware?


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Any device/connector will degrade the inherent speed of the ISP connection. That being said Gig ports will possibly help but its more a function of the internal NAT hardware/software/firmware.

You may see improvement then again you may not the existing 100Mb ports should handle 101Mb down...AC900 will probably give you better wireless assuming the devices also support 802.11AC up to what your router is allowing.

Here's a chart to help you choose a good WAN to LAN router...

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/la...harts/view

Top tier...

NETGEAR Nighthawk AC1900 Smart WiFi Router (R7000) AC1900:#1 $188 931.4
D-Link Wireless AC1750 Dual Band Gigabit Cloud Router (DIR-868L) AC1750:#3 $138 924.2
Linksys Wireless AC Router SMART Wi-Fi Dual Band AC1900 (EA6900) AC1900:#2 $160 923.6
Buffalo Technology AirStation Extreme AC 1750 Gigabit Dual Band Wireless Router (WZR-1750DHP) AC1750:#6 $119 921.1
D-Link Wireless AC1200 Dual Band Gigabit Cloud Router (DIR-850L) AC1200:#7 $84 910.4
Linksys Video Enthusiast AC1600 SMART Wi-Fi Wireless Router (EA6400) AC1600:#2 $110 901.4
Linksys Advanced Multimedia AC1200 SMART Wi-Fi Wireless Router (EA6300) AC1600:#2 $150 901.4
ASUS Dual-Band Wireless-N750 Gigabit Router (RT-N65U) N750:#2 $114 898.7
Cisco Dual Gigabit WAN VPN Router (RV320) Wired only:#2 $183 887.0
TP-LINK AC1750 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit Router (Archer C7) AC1750:#2 $100 853.6
ASUS 802.11ac Dual-Band Wireless-AC1750 Gigabit Router (RT-AC66U) AC1750:#1 $169 836.0
Ubiquiti EdgeMAX EdgeRouter Lite (ERLite-3) Wired only:#1 $90 821.8
TRENDnet AC1750 Dual Band Wireless Router (TEW-812DRU) AC1750:#9 $125 817.0
ASUS Black Diamond Dual-Band Gigabit Wireless-N Router (RT-N56U) N600:#1 $87 802.4

Next tier....

Cisco VPN Router (RV180) Wired only:#3 $108 798.3
Belkin N750 DB Wireless Dual-Band N+ Router (F9K1103) N750:#3 $55 792.9
NETGEAR WiFi Router - 802.11ac Dual Band Gigabit (R6300) AC1750:#4 $148 782.6
ASUS 802.11ac Dual-Band Wireless-AC1200 Gigabit Router (RT-AC56U) AC1200:#1 $120 778.2
D-Link Wireless AC1200 Dual Band Gigabit Cloud Router (DIR-860L) AC1200:#4 $105 769.5
Edimax AC1200 Wireless Concurrent Dual-Band Gigabit Router (BR-6478AC) AC1200:#2 $67 768.8
NETGEAR N900 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit Router (WNDR4500) N900:#3 $150 767.7
Amped Wireless High Power Wireless-N 600mW Gigabit Router (R10000G) N300:#2 $98 765.3
ASUS Dual-band Wireless-AC1900 Gigabit Router (RT-AC68U) AC1900:#1 $215 754.5
Buffalo Technology AirStation Extreme AC 1200 Gigabit Dual Band Wireless Router (WZR-1166DHP) AC1200:#3 $90 750.1
NETGEAR Smart WiFi Router (R6250) AC1600:#1 $147 745.2
ASUS Dark Knight Dual-Band Wireless-N900 Gigabit Router (RT-N66U) N900:#1 $125 731.6
Cisco Wireless Network Security Firewall (RV 220W) N300:#1 $234 720.0
D-Link HD Media Router 3000 (DIR-857) N900:#4 $138 706.9
Cisco Maximum Performance Wireless-N Router (Linksys E4200) N750:#1 $95 686.8
D-Link HD Media Router 2000 (DIR-827) N600:#4 $110 680.0
NETGEAR N750 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit Router (WNDR4000) N750:#4 $150 675.8
Zyxel VPN Firewall (ZyWALL 110) Wired only:#4 $396 662.8
D-Link Xtreme N Storage Router (DIR-685) N300:#8 $224 659.0
Draytek High Speed Gigabit Router (Vigor 2130n) N300:#3 $147 638.2
Zyxel Gigabit VPN Firewall Gateway (VFG6005) Wired only:#7 $143 635.9
Linksys Smart Wi-Fi Router AC 1750 HD Video Pro (EA6500) AC1750:#4 $150 626.0
EnGenius 300Mbps Wireless N Router with Gigabit Switch (ESR9850) N300:#11 $106 619.3
Cisco Dual Gigabit WAN VPN Router (RV042G) Wired only:#5 $175 609.1
Linksys High Performance Dual-Band N Router (E3200) N600:#3 $95 586.4
TRENDnet AC1200 Dual Band Wireless Router (TEW-811DRU) AC1200:#6 $75 575.1
Buffalo Technology AirStation AC1300 / N900 Gigabit Dual Band Wireless Router (WZR-D1800H) AC1750:#7 $364 566.0
TRENDnet AC1750 Dual Band Wireless Router (TEW-812DRUv2) AC1750:#8 $125 562.9
D-Link Gaming Router AC1300 with StreamBoost Technology (DGL-5500) AC1300:#1 $150 555.6
NETGEAR CENTRIA (WNDR4700) N900:#2 $93 547.1
NETGEAR ProSafe Gigabit Quad WAN SSL VPN Firewall (SRX5308) Wired only:#6 $240 448.6
NETGEAR N600 wireless Dual Band Gigabit Router (WNDR3700v2) N600:#5 $73 429.0
D-Link Xtreme N 450 Gigabit Router (DIR-665) N450:#2 $84 377.2
Linksys Gigabit Dual-Band Wireless N600 Router (EA2700) N600:#6 $72 341.0
NETGEAR N600 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit Router Premium Edition (WNDR3800) N600:#7 $79 335.3
EnGenius Dual Band Wireless AC1750 Router (ESR1750) AC1750:#10 $119 335.3
EnGenius Dual Band Wireless AC1200 Router (ESR1200) AC1200:#5 $90 333.6
D-Link HD Media Router 1000 (DIR-657) N300:#14 $25 329.5
Apple AirPort Extreme (802.11ac) (A1521) AC1750:#5 $185 325.5

Meh tier...

TRENDnet 450Mbps Concurrent Dual Band Wireless N Router (TEW-692GR) N900:#6 $60 276.9
TRENDnet 450Mbps Wireless N Gigabit Router (TEW-691GR) N450:#3 $57 261.8
D-Link Xtreme N Gigabit Router [Rev A4] (DIR-655 [A4]) N300:#10 $52 257.3
NETGEAR Rangemax Wireless-N Gigabit Router with USB (WNR3500L) N300:#17 $45 255.5
Linksys Media Stream N900 SMART Wi-Fi Wireless Router (EA4500) N900:#5 $104 254.3
Zyxel Simultaneous Dual-Band Wireless AC1750 Media Router (NBG6716) AC1750:#7 $149 231.7
Linksys Dual-Band N750 Router with Gigabit and USB (EA3500) N750:#1 $85 222.7
D-Link Xtreme N Dual Band Gigabit Router (DIR-825 (B1)) N600:#8 $140 214.7
Cisco Integrated Security Appliance (ISA550W) N300:#4 $392 200.2
Buffalo Technology AirStation High Power N300 Gigabit Wireless Router & AP (WZR-300HP) N300:#13 $44 191.7
TP-LINK SafeStream Gigabit Dual-WAN VPN Router (TL-ER6020) Wired only:#9 $115 162.2
Draytek Dual WAN Security Router (Vigor 2920) Wired only:#10 $294 147.5
ASUS Multi-functional Gigabit SuperSpeedN Router (RT-N16) N300:#15 $74 141.1
TP-LINK Ultimate Wireless N Gigabit Router (TL-WR1043ND) N300:#19 $39 122.7
PepLink Balance (20) Wired only:#13 $279 103.1
Linksys Wireless-N300 Router (E900) N300:#8 $30 94.1
Linksys Wi-Fi Router N300 (E1200-NP) N300:#8 $55 94.1
TP-LINK N600 Wireless Dual Band Router (TL-WDR3500) N600:#2 $36 94.0
Securifi Almond (ALM-BLK-US) N300:#16 $90 94.0
NETGEAR Smart WiFi Router (R6100) AC1200:#6 $88 93.9
Cisco Multi-WAN VPN Router (RV016 v3) Wired only:#16 $341 93.8
EnGenius 300Mbps Dual-Band Wireless N Router (ESR7750) N600:#11 $78 93.8
Cisco Wireless-N VPN Firewall (RV110W) N300:#15 $69 93.5
D-Link Wireless N PowerLine Router (DHP-1320) N300:#5 $28 93.5
Linksys Wireless-N Router with SpeedBoost (E1500) N300:#18 $35 93.4
Cisco Dual WAN VPN Router (RV082 v3) Wired only:#18 $302 93.3
Apple AirPort Express [2012] (MC414LL/A) N600:#10 $95 93.2
Mediabridge Medialink Wireless N Broadband Router (MWN-WAPR300N) N300:#6 $50 93.2
Linksys Wireless-N ADSL2+ Modem Router (X2000) N300:#7 $80 92.9
TRENDnet 4-Port VPN Router (TW100-BRV214) Wired only:#11 $70 92.8
Linksys Wireless-N Home Router (WRT120N) N150:#1 $17 92.5
NETGEAR Wireless N Router (WNR2000) N300:#22 $22 92.5
Rosewill Wireless N Router (RNX-N360RT) N300:#13 $40 91.5
Linksys Advanced Dual-Band N Router (E2500) N600:#9 $62 91.1
Cisco Dual WAN VPN Router (RV042 v3) Wired only:#12 $141 91.1
NETGEAR N450 Wireless Router (WNR2500) N450:#1 $60 90.6
Cisco Wireless-N Router (Linksys E1000) N300:#20 $30 89.5
D-Link RangeBooster N Dual Band Router (DIR-628) N300:#15 $51 88.2
D-Link Wireless N Router (DIR-615 [B2]) N300:#23 $28 87.5
D-Link Cloud Router (DIR-605L) N300:#9 $46 87.2
Cisco Wireless-N VPN Firewall (RV 120W) N300:#17 $100 86.7
Draytek Dual-WAN ADSL2/2+ Security Firewall (Vigor 2830n plus) N300:#12 $365 78.3
NETGEAR ProSafe Wireless-N 8-port Gigabit VPN Firewall (FVS318N) N300:#21 $160 62.3
NETGEAR ProSafe Dual WAN Gigabit Firewall (FVS336G) Wired only:#15 $218 59.2
Zyxel Unified Security Gateway (ZyWall USG 20) Wired only:#14 $142 58.1
Draytek Dual-Wan wireless router (Vigor 2910G) G54:#1 $207 27.5
NETGEAR ProSafe 8-port Gigabit VPN Firewall (FVS318G) Wired only:#17 $87 22.5
D-Link Ethernet Broadband Router (EBR-2310) Wired only:#18 $33 17.0
Linksys 4-Port Gigabit Security Router with VPN (RVS4000) Wired only:#8 $118 15.9
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Any device/connector will degrade the inherent speed of the ISP connection. That being said Gig ports will possibly help but its more a function of the internal NAT hardware/software/firmware.

You may see improvement then again you may not the existing 100Mb ports should handle 101Mb down...AC900 will probably give you better wireless assuming the devices also support 802.11AC up to what your router is allowing.

Virtually nothing is using the AC standard yet device-wise. I would assume newer routers will have better\faster NAT hardware\firmware in most cases though obviously that may be something of a guessing game model to model.

I have only a handful of devices using wireless as it is as most of my stuff is wired either directly through ethernet cable or through powerline or coax network adapters. Am looking to upgrade the router mostly for the gigabit ports to improve file xfers between certain points so I figured I may as well future proof it to some degree. The internet speed degradation is not a big deal either as 50-60/15 is plenty fast, but if upgrading the router would get me some performance inprovement there as well, then it would just be another reason to do it.
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Virtually nothing is using the AC standard yet device-wise. I would assume newer routers will have better\faster NAT hardware\firmware in most cases though obviously that may be something of a guessing game model to model.

I have only a handful of devices using wireless as it is as most of my stuff is wired either directly through ethernet cable or through powerline or coax network adapters. Am looking to upgrade the router mostly for the gigabit ports to improve file xfers between certain points so I figured I may as well future proof it to some degree. The internet speed degradation is not a big deal either as 50-60/15 is plenty fast, but if upgrading the router would get me some performance inprovement there as well, then it would just be another reason to do it.

Sure the list goes from best to worst in terms of WAN to LAN and Node to Node throughput which is what you seem to want and any of the top ones should improve your performance.
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Sure the list goes from best to worst in terms of WAN to LAN and Node to Node throughput which is what you seem to want and any of the top ones should improve your performance.

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Not having mentioned what router your using what your seeing is understandable. You have an internet connection that is quite a bit faster than a large percentage of average consumers and a lot of businesses. At these speeds it's not only the ports that may be getting in the way but the router does not have sufficient processing power or bandwidth on the backplane probably. Upgrading your hardware to something that can deal with these types of speeds you should see an improvement on the wired side for sure.
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OK, I noticed with my Optimum online that I am paying for 101 down\35 up with (ultra 101), that I was really getting about 50-60 down and 15 up. So when I called to see if they could tell me why, they had me connect one of my PCs directly to the cable modem and bypass my router. And sure enough I would see 100/35 at that point.

Now my router is an older wireless N router with 100 Mbit ports. I am assuming the combination of additional traffic on my network and the 100 Mbit ports is slowing my speed down some (though 50-60/15 internet speed is still plenty fast). I am looking into getting a new router with AC900 capability and gigabit ports (been too lazy to have to deal with all the fuss), so the real question is am I likely to see that also improve the speed performance to the internet or is the degradation more likely do to some firewall settings or the router firmware?


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72-36mbps down is the normal wireless speed with devices without rare 5ghz n and ac. 72 is fine since most websites never get 72-36 down. Your get max speeds with Ethernet.

Do you notice any wireless network lag?
How many user are using your internet?
How many online video streams are you doing at one? Like 5 fhd Netflix like at once?

The netgear nighthawk will increase your wireless signal and will take any extra load since it has extra amps and ram. As you get more devices with 5ghz ac you get faster wireless. But its very pricy compared to the $30 WD ?750 and $50 n900.
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Throughput is absolutely faster on newer routers and it can result in speed bumps even on slower connections. AC66U would be my pick in that high end router category and it has been on a sale a few times on SD.
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Throughput is absolutely faster on newer routers and it can result in speed bumps even on slower connections. AC66U would be my pick in that high end router category and it has been on a sale a few times on SD.

The AC66U has a fair number of some rather disturbing negative reviews on Amazon most notably that it works well for awhile and then starts to degrade performance-wise badly. Some other issues as well. Any experience with this particular model?
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The AC66U has a fair number of some rather disturbing negative reviews on Amazon most notably that it works well for awhile and then starts to degrade performance-wise badly. Some other issues as well. Any experience with this particular model?
Your desire for AC limits you somewhat on choice. The Netgear Nighthawk also seems pretty popular these days, but just like the AC66U it has it's share of bad reviews.

The Tplink ARcher C7 might also be worthwhile to look at, I've been loving TPlink products and they have been rock solid with third party firmware.

My personal experience is entirely with 3rd party firmware and I wouldn't use anything else, but based on the discussion it seems that that is not something you would want to dabble in although both the nighthawk and AC66U seem to have DDWRT builds available.
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TP-link stock firmware is just as good no need for 3rd party..they actually care unlike linksys
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The AC66U has a fair number of some rather disturbing negative reviews on Amazon most notably that it works well for awhile and then starts to degrade performance-wise badly. Some other issues as well. Any experience with this particular model?
You don't have any AC devices and IMHO it's not worth bothering with AC now. It's just like it was buying super-Pre-N, Pre-N, N, N300, super N, etc. Let the standards and hardware mature before jumping in. I paid a premium back when concurrent dual-band was "cool" and I never even use both at the same time.

Just get a gigabit N router with great reviews and great third party support. When AC is mature you can repurpose the router into an AP, switch, repeater, client, etc.

RT-N56U $90 on newegg
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You don't have any AC devices and IMHO it's not worth bothering with AC now. It's just like it was buying super-Pre-N, Pre-N, N, N300, super N, etc. Let the standards and hardware mature before jumping in. I paid a premium back when concurrent dual-band was "cool" and I never even use both at the same time.

Just get a gigabit N router with great reviews and great third party support. When AC is mature you can repurpose the router into an AP, switch, repeater, client, etc.

RT-N56U $90 on newegg

You make a valid point in that sometimes we over think and pay for the latest and greatest stuff that we often either use rarely or not at all and I can always repurpose anything I buy. Plus I really do not want to spend $150-$200 on a router and have sort of been waiting for a sale even before this came up. I could probably get a decent gigabit n one for $75 now and just wait and see what the new standard develops into and by then the prices on the AC ones likely will have fallen some more.
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You make a valid point in that sometimes we over think and pay for the latest and greatest stuff that we often either use rarely or not at all and I can always repurpose anything I buy. Plus I really do not want to spend $150-$200 on a router and have sort of been waiting for a sale even before this came up. I could probably get a decent gigabit n one for $75 now and just wait and see what the new standard develops into and by then the prices on the AC ones likely will have fallen some more.
Now don't get too cheap.

Remember you need gigabit LAN and WAN. The 10/100 WAN port is what is killing your speed (and the age of the router).
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Now don't get too cheap.

Remember you need gigabit LAN and WAN. The 10/100 WAN port is what is killing your speed (and the age of the router).

A given as I would never buy anything not gigabit at this point.
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