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New Thread Listing Design Feedback

Marmotto 478 February 20, 2014 at 02:08 PM
Hi everybody, thanks so much for being such great contributors to the Slickdeals community and taking the time to help us test the new Thread Listing design.

Please use this thread to let us know what you like, what you're missing, and what improvements you think could be made to the new design. It's still very much a work in progress so any feedback is good feedback.

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Last Edited by Schooby April 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM
We will be doing a rollback this afternoon.
It will be almost as it was originally with the exception of the category icons will need to remain as text but will be on thew left-hand side again. Color will go back to what it was before etc...
So you should see this change within the next few hours.
~Schooby



Some steps to simplify the look again
As you will read through the thread developers and most staff at SD have analysed the "data" and "data" tells them they are getting more revenue since they switched to new layout. So your feedback is welcome but only if it fits the "data".
You can use the ad block addon to help bring back the forum list to look better. Thanks to the other posters for these suggestions.
Add these custom filters and the site is much better.
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How to turn off the thumbnails
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With so many comments about the thumbnails in the new thread listing design, we have decided to give you the option to toggle them on and off. The new option is shown below. It is at the very bottom of the Edit Options screen.


Thank you for your patience as we try out this new design in beta. You've been selected for a first look at this beta because we value your opinion.
Please bear with us as we collect your feedback and make improvements!


A message from bryantq:

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Thanks for all your feedback everyone.

I wanted to chime in and say that -nothing- is off the table, and all of your requests and suggestions are heard loud and clear - however what we're doing is testing and collecting data. Sometimes we have to try things to know if the ideas work or not.

Certainly the status-quo is more comfortable to everyone, but that feeling should never impede the idea of making improvements and progress. Lets try, and if we fail, we learn and try to improve again. I have always believed the community could tolerate and even participate in this process, so that we find ways to take the feedback and build a better website/community for everyone;

Our goal is to test fast, get data fast, and make improvements fast. We'll ask ourselves what are our goals, what do the users want, how can we achieve this, and does it match what we're seeing in the data. We'll always hear from those who have something to say - and it's important to us to hear that, but we also need to consider those who don't say anything (the other 10 million people who use Slickdeals), which is why the data is the best way to see how everyone acts/responds. Maybe we'll find newer users are okay with it, and veteran users aren't and that's okay. If that's the case, we'll make some feature changes for our veteran users because they're equally as important to us. Unfortunately it takes some time to collect enough data to be sure ~ right now only 25% of users can see the new design.

For example, the reason why we removed certain things like the wiki icon was that it was practically never used.

Originally in this test, we also removed all the mini pagination (Page 1 2 3 4 5 - Last Page) because that also wasn't used much, and after further feedback from users, we found out all they really wanted was the Last Page link. Truth be told people didn't really care about jumping randomly to page 2, 3, 4, or 5 (in a 500 page thread or a 7 page thread), but it did distract and clutter up the list.

People have asked, "why did you do this?" I can tell you some of my goals with the design. First of all, it started with adding the score to the thread list. The score is probably one of the most important aspects of the site, and while thumbs were a good initial indication of quality, they did not help a user distinguish between a +20 deal and a +500 deal (which would both appear as 5 thumbs up).

Furthermore, we needed to convert the category icons to text: the reason for this is that it is very hard to maintain unique icons for all of our new categories (in a 12 by 12 pixel icon, how do you show the difference between a tv and a monitor, ?); and the old icons didnt match all the categories we had. Furthermore, the icons limited us to the length of text in there... we couldn't write "Electronics" for example and still have an icon, so what's the point if eventually half our icons were going to be text only anyway.

We added thumbnails, etc because it helps identify what is in a thread at a glance. Usually this turns into catching people's interest and helping them find what they're looking for. I think we have some ways to improve this such as cleaning up the way they're displayed, playing with size, and if the data suggests we should, perhaps giving the option to hide them as users have requested.

Finally, some other improvements included trying to make the design "responsive", which means that it adjusts automatically based on the amount of space you have in your browser window. If you have a lot of space, we can display more detailed information, larger text, etc. If you squeeze the browser window narrower, you will see things disappear to accommodate that smaller window. We also added the right column in for people who had large monitors: right now that's pretty empty, but it'll give us room to add cool features like boxes that show: threads you last visited, and forum leaderboards, or even custom things for different forums.
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Overall, we're trying to make the site more streamlined, responsive for multiple screensizes, and friendlier/more intuitive for newer users.

TL;DR: Ultimately, we're hearing your concerns and requests (from adding an option to turn off thumbnails, to restoring the paperclip icon)... we're taking notes, and figuring out the next plan of action.

So I ask for your patience as we work on these things. Rest assured, we hear you.
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Notable Changes From Previous Version to Beta:
  • Added the ability to view the score number, fire icons, and popular flag directly in the forum view. This is probably the most important addition for deal forums.
  • Created a responsive layout. Depending on the width of your browser window, you will see more information. If your viewport becomes narrower, things will automatically disappear to save space. These include: avatar photos, thumbnails, replies/view counts, etc, all the way down to a mobile friendly view.
  • Condensed the replies and views count into one column to save space.
  • Added thumbnails so users can quickly see them.
  • Moved away from category icons to category text, because as we introduce new categories this gives us flexibility. For example, the old set of icons limited us in terms of character length and description.
  • Added small avatar next to users name.
  • Removed non-essential icons such as attachments, wiki icon, etc. After looking at usage logs and feedback, these icons were largely useless, so we removed them to clean up the page.
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Reported Bugs / Feature Requests:
  • Threads appearing multiple times [Resolved Feb 27]
  • Personal sticky flag missing [Resolved Feb 27]
  • Last column is messed up when announcements are there [Resolved]
  • Avatars are annoying because some are animated [Resolved ; removed avatars until we can stop avatars from animating]
  • First Unread link is missing [Resolved ; Did not restore additional link due to user feedback and the fact that the unread bubble and envelope icons also serve this purpose]
  • Unread messages bubble missing [Resolved ; Restored unread message bubble and link to first unread]
  • Last Page / Pagination is missing [Resolved ; Last page icon restored to last column under last activity, pagination will not return since users mostly only needed the last page link]
  • Thumbnails appear in non-deal forums, which is bad because they rarely have thumbnails. [Resolved ;
  • Ipads require a double click on everything [Resolved ; This was a byproduct of the ignore button on hover... Thus, we had to move the ignore button to a submenu (see below)]
  • Ignore Thread button missing [Resolved ; Restored ignore thread option with new submenu]
  • Page shifts around when thumbs are available[Resolved]
  • Cannot filter by category by clicking icon anymore! [Not broken; You can still click on the category below each deal to filter and see only those categories.
  • Icons dont always appear, or appear only after click or hover[Resolved]
  • On wide monitors, there is too much white space in the middle (between title and reply/views [Resolved; adjusted the look for wider monitors, and added a right column to fill space/make room for additional future features]
  • Paperclip icon is missing [Queued ; Will restore this to the new submenu]
  • Link that appeared on replies count to show who posted is missing [Queued ; Will restore this link]
  • Right column doesn't always disappear [Queued ; Will fix, appears to only break for IE8]
  • Frontpage / Popular Flags too obnoxious [Queued ; Will first try making the colors more subtle]
  • Add ability to turn off thumbnails [Under evaluation ; Will likely add function to hide thumbnails for veteran users]
  • Hard to read categories / Move to left [Under evaluation ; Adjusted font color/spacing. Will try moving to the left in future]
  • Expand Post feature missing. [Under evaluation]
  • When making a reply and returning to the forum, it shows 1 unread (my own post) [Under evaluation; This isnt particularly due to this test, but a bug nonetheless]
  • When users use either os based or browser based zooming, the author/date line can overlap the category text.
  • Category links dont filter to the same category as displayed.
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Current testing / rollout schedule:

Phase 1 - Private Beta (~300 of top contributors)
Feb 20 - Mar 12
COMPLETED

Changes / Fixes Made:
  • Fixed duplicate threads appearing
  • Feedback link fixed
  • Restored the "Unread Bubble" count that appears on top of the envelope - This area also links to the first unread post. In an effort to reduce redundancy and clean up the design, this is where this function will live.
  • Changed avatars to be rounded and applied a generic user icon for people who do not have an avatar, to create consistency of design.
  • Removed Thumbnails in all forums except for Hot deals and Deal Talk
  • Fixed header/table alignment issues
  • Added the "Sticky" flag for personal stickies
  • Added ability to remove stickies by clicking on the flag.
  • Restored ignore icon which now appears on hover.
  • Based on user feedback and usage data, expand post functionality is removed.
Phase 2 - Private Beta Round 2 (~1000 of top contributors)
Mar 12 - Apr 1
COMPLETED

Changes / Fixes Made:
  • Fixed various text and line formatting issues.
  • Restored the Ignore feature and moved it to a new dropdown menu - http://i.imgur.com/dejynkK.png
  • Added the ability to sticky a thread from the new dropdown menu
  • Removed avatars from "last poster" until we can fix the animation issue.
  • Added a right column for screens larger than 1600px to help with excessively wide forum display with lots of white space.
  • Expanded the views, and reply counts for extra wide monitors to help take advantage of that space.
  • Added an unread count next to views and replies as a test, since most new users don't know what the bubbles are on the left. Saying "XX unread" in the listing is very clear/intuitive.
  • The new unread link wasnt working, so we fixed that.
  • Made a change to number formatting so that "1,500,000" turns into "1.50M" in order to save space.
  • Adjusted when thumbnails appear and disappear so that it requires a larger screen (1200px or more)
  • Icons werent always appearing in certain browers, this is now fixed.
  • Restored "Last Page" link, which now lives in the far right last activity column.
  • Adjusted spacing around thumbnails, title, and categories
  • Increased title size from 13px to 14px.
  • Forum jump dropdown removed from top of page due to its redundancy with the main menu forum navigation.
Phase 3 - Public Testing (~25% of all visitors, random mix)
Apr 01 - Apr 15
IN PROGRESS


Changes / Fixes Made:
  • [Apr 01] Adjusted Font Size from 14px back down to 13px
  • [Apr 01] Fixed padding in various areas
  • [Apr 01] Made "Last Page" link appear for all threads with >1 page (previous legacy version required at least 5 pages to appear)
Phase 4 - Public Testing (~50% of all visitors, random mix)
Apr 15 - Apr 21
PENDING

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FAQ:

Why can't I opt out anymore?
Opting out was only available during the beta phase. During our testing phase, we need to collect data, and to ensure valid data, we need to make sure users dont switch between the two experiences and skew the data.

These changes are terrible! I've told you they're terrible! Why haven't you changed back or done everything I told you?
We greatly appreciate your feedback, and while we're listening and evaluating them, we also need to "hear" from the other millions of slickdeals users who havent said anything. In order to do this, we collect data on usage. For example, we'll compare activity, views, clicks, etc from users in the new version vs the old.

Well, by now you should've seen that everyone in this thread hates it! Change it back already!
Typically, the people who are upset are the only ones who complain. People who aren't upset go on with their daily lives, so its pretty normal for a feedback thread to be negative (unfortunately). That being said, we are monitoring the data on a daily basis, and so far the data is showing that the new version actually is working the same or better. We need to collect more data to make sure we're 100% positive it is correct because the comments here are so vocal Smilie

However, even though the data might show the new version is better, we're still listening to your feedback and will still find a way to improve the new layout so don't worry Smilie

This post can be edited by most users to provide up-to-date information about developments of this thread based on user responses, and user findings. Feel free to add, change or remove information shown here as it becomes available. This includes new coupons, rebates, ideas, thread summary, and similar items.

Once a Thread Wiki is added to a thread, "Create Wiki" button will disappear. If you would like to learn more about Thread Wiki feature, click here.

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#421
Unfortunately, the "go to last page" link just makes that right column so cluttered with extra words now. I guess the text was put in instead of the small icon we have currently to make it more intuitive to users? I know lots of folks asked for it back, just noticing how wordy it looks. *That doesn't show up much in a forum like this where there are not long threads. But does in a thread like Drugstore/Grocery B&M where the threads can be super long.*

On the number of unread posts, I still lean to using the envelop with the number on it because it's sitting right next to the thread title. On a wide screen like I have, I have to trace across (the empty middle of the screen) to click on the unread posts.
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The last page feature has been restored. If you look where there is the last poster name and time it now says "go to last page" Wink

laugh out loud I read up a little bit and noticed someone else talking about this. I did say I like to go to the last page, not that I necessarily read things on the last page. I don't have the attention span for that kind of shit. laugh out loud
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#423
Just FYI - the Last Page link appears under the exactly the same circumstances as before.

(Ie, the system has a method of deciding whether or not to show it, and that was not changed, we simply restored the link).


The reason for putting it in the last column is two fold - one, because it makes sense there and two - because its going to train people that the last column is the place to go to make it to the last page or last post (since people in this thread also didnt realize that you could click that to get to the last post).
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It's no secret I never liked the number over the envelope anyways. It's obnoxious IMO. laugh out loud
No! Wrong!

Though it might be prettier making the black box/number fit inside the envelope icon all fancy-like.

Anyway, two things:
1) Having the 1,2,3,4,5....last page under the deal title in Hot Deals seems... unsightly, and mostly redundant, since few people will want to immediately jump to page 3 of a 5+ page thread. It looks like that's gone again, but just mentioning it since pretty sure I saw it back for a time the other day and it looked out of place having it back.

2) Normally, pressing the middle mouse button opens a link into a new, background tab. For some reason, using the middle mouse button on any link in the right category, (last poster, go to last page), opens the link in a background tab but also opens it in the current tab.
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#425
I still am forcing my self to use it and I do prefer the older version better.

As of today my 2 cents are I am glad the avatars went away and the unread column seems to be not needed. It looks nice, but I prefer the envelope unread count as I tend to read left to right.
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I don't see the point of the number of unread above the envelope and the "1 unread" in the replies/views area. Were you planning on leaving both?

Also I agree about the + expand, I used that a lot. Frown
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It's no secret I never liked the number over the envelope anyways. It's obnoxious IMO. laugh out loud
Iagree The number of unread hotlink on the right now makes that area more cluttered. I too miss the + expand feature.

As for the number box over the envelope, I think it wouldn't be so bad if it were a lighter shade in gray instead of a solid black.

Quote from bryantq View Post :
Maybe not; but we'll test to see which one gets more usage. The text version obviously is a little more intuitive.
I have a suggestion that might address the complaints of several of the posters in this thread. Everyone hates the clock, but after thinking about it a while, I realized it does serve the purpose of anchoring the date/time/op info. However, it would be more helpful and pleasing to the eye if it switched places with the category tag.

From the perspective of a SD user, when you're skimming any forum page, the first things you look at are the title and category. So having them both on the left would make things easier to read and give it a cleaner look. I rarely look to see who the OP is, or look at the time and date as that is dealt with by how you choose to sort the threads, and I'm betting that's true for the majority of the SD users.


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Are you letting the thread view fully load after posting a reply?
Had this happen again today, along with another glitch that happens quite frequently. When I posted in the thread and scrolled down to re-read my post, it wasn't there, this happens a lot, I had to refresh the page to see my new post. After viewing my post, I went out of the thread and the thread title was bold, with one new post and I was listed as the last poster. See the attachment.
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#427
I reverted back. I like the older version. This version just seems too long and jumbled for my eyes. If that makes sense.
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#428
Quote from Zoe Moon View Post :
I too miss the + expand feature.
Iagree

i know i've expressed my feelings on this more than once in this thread, but i am still REALLY missing this feature so i hope it doesn't go away for good...
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Quote from bryantq View Post :
We've got some upcoming changes rolling out soon:

- Adjusted when thumbnails appear/disappear
- Made more use of the space on larger monitors
- Restored "Last Page" link in the last column - note it didnt always appear before, and we're using the same old logic (ie only appears for threads with enough pages)
- Removed avatars on last poster until we can solve the animation issue
- Adjusted spacing for categories
- Increased title size
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The last page feature has been restored. If you look where there is the last poster name and time it now says "go to last page" Wink
Hallelujah ! Whee
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#430
Right now I can't get the tooltip to show up that has the thread preview. Sadwalk And since there isn't a (+) anymore, I can't preview it at all Annoyed

Thanks for bringing back the "Go To Last Page" link though! Happy
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Quote from bryantq View Post :
Just FYI - the Last Page link appears under the exactly the same circumstances as before.

(Ie, the system has a method of deciding whether or not to show it, and that was not changed, we simply restored the link).


The reason for putting it in the last column is two fold - one, because it makes sense there and two - because its going to train people that the last column is the place to go to make it to the last page or last post (since people in this thread also didnt realize that you could click that to get to the last post).
i think something weird is going on.... when i reply to a thread it decides there are unread posts (the post i just made) it didn't use to do that...

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#432
love it now.

Purrrfect! Smilie
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Quote from HeyLookItsMe View Post :
i think something weird is going on.... when i reply to a thread it decides there are unread posts (the post i just made) it didn't use to do that...

This glitch is not new, so it's not related Smilie
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Quote from cgrady View Post :
This glitch is not new, so it's not related Smilie
I'm right and you're wrong so there
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#435
i havent really noticed much difference, which i guess is good. Glad i got selected though Smilie
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