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If a medical doctor, based on biological evidence, sees a male patient, but the patient claims to be a female, the doctor must treat the patient as a female. Failure to do so could leave the doctor vulnerable to lawsuits, lost federal funding, and federal investigation by the Office of Civil Rights, the HHS arm implementing this policy."

Does it mean to disregard all previous scientific evidence for physiological and psychological differences in the functioning of male vs. female bodies, for example

"a male patient trapped in a female body" cannot have treatments for uterus problems b/c males do not have uterus, and a "female in the male body" should be convinced that "her" prostate cancer is just a product of her imagination?
I'm sorry Ma'am, but I will need to refer you to a urologist for further examination of your prostate. I'm sorry sir, but I am afraid I will need to refer you to a Gynecologist, as there appears to be cause for concern regarding your uterus. Wow, those could definitely prove awkward.
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New Rule Requires Doctors To Treat Trans Patients As Their Pretend Sex [thefederalist.com]

"The rule contains an explicit definition of gender identity that states a person can claim to be male, female, neither, both, or some combination of the two, said Roger Severino, director of the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society at the Heritage Foundation.

“It’s now federal policy that you could be both male and female in some combination,” he said. “That’s a pretty radical statement, and impossible to know what it really means.”

If a medical doctor, based on biological evidence, sees a male patient, but the patient claims to be a female, the doctor must treat the patient as a female. Failure to do so could leave the doctor vulnerable to lawsuits, lost federal funding, and federal investigation by the Office of Civil Rights, the HHS arm implementing this policy."

Does it mean to disregard all previous scientific evidence for physiological and psychological differences in the functioning of male vs. female bodies, for example

"a male patient trapped in a female body" cannot have treatments for uterus problems b/c males do not have uterus, and a "female in the male body" should be convinced that "her" prostate cancer is just a product of her imagination?
Isn't this dangerous?!?? Setting aside the obvious issue of how to do a pap smear on a dude when he decides to go get his annual exam, there are certain medications that work very differently between men and women.

If I were a doctor in this situation, my first assessment would be a referral to a shrink for mental heath.

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Anyone save $2,500 yet???
Nope. I am paying almost double that since in premiums since Obamacare went into effect.
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And then premiums will skyrocket again due to the drop in enrollment. Kind of like when house assessments drop and towns jack the mill rate up to make up for the loss in tax revenue.
Yep. The "Death spiral" may not be that far off.
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Isn't this dangerous?!?? Setting aside the obvious issue of how to do a pap smear on a dude when he decides to go get his annual exam, there are certain medications that work very differently between men and women.

If I were a doctor in this situation, my first assessment would be a referral to a shrink for mental heath.

If you'd be a doctor with at least some work ethics, you'd need a lawyer:
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The regulations provide an example of how a doctor could discriminate against a transgender patient, Severino said. If two people are both candidates for a hysterectomy, one a woman with uterine cancer and the other a woman who wants fewer woman parts to look more like a man but is otherwise perfectly healthy, the doctor could be found to be discriminating against the second woman by choosing to treat the woman with cancer instead. The rule states all the second woman would need to attempt to force the surgeon to perform an elective hysterectomy is a note from a psychologist affirming her desire to become a man, Severino said.
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Anyone save $2,500 yet???
What??? You mean it wasn't true???

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Anyone save $2,500 yet???
One company I work with an employee was commenting on their "new" plan. They have to pay out of pocket $3000 before anything kicks in. That includes copays so they have to pay every doctor visit up till the $3000. Then they pay the copay.
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Obama Proposes Fixing Obamacare With a New, Government-Run Health Insurance Plan [reason.com]

Yesterday, President Obama put forth another solution—a reform to his original health care reform. In an article for the Journal of the American Medical Association, the president reviews Obamacare's performance, highlighting the law's success in increasing health insurance coverage rates. But the article also serves as a tacit admission that the law is not working as intended, particularly when it comes to competition. Naturally, it proposes further government intervention in the health care sector.

In the JAMA article, the president proposes creating a government run insurance plan, or a "public option," that would exist alongside private health insurance, at least in the mostly rural areas where competition is sparse or nonexistent. "Congress," he wrote, "should revisit a public plan to compete alongside private insurers in areas of the country where competition is limited."

Obamacare resulted in the creation of 23 co-ops across the nation, some of which served hundreds of thousands of customers. As of this month, however, only 10 remain fully operational. The other 13 have either shut down, or announced that they plan to by the end of the year.

The reason for every closing has been the same: Premiums were set too low to cover the cost of medical expenses. The losses mounted. The co-ops couldn't make the finances work. With each closing, taxpayers have had to swallow losses for the loans that funded their operations.

Democratic proponents of the plans have argued that Republicans sabotaged them by cutting their funding. But the point of these plans—just as Obama promised of the public option—was that they would be independent and self-sufficient. If the argument is that they could not survive without injections of federal funding, without payments from federal funds to backstop their operations, without political support when they struggle with finances, then the argument is that they cannot compete. There is little reason to believe that a full-fledged public option, entirely run by the government, would fare any better. It would, however, be much harder to shut down, and much more likely to be propped up by additional federal funding if it failed to completely cover its expenses on its own—leaving an ongoing cost to taxpayers rather than the one-time hit incurred by the failures of the co-ops.
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Obama Proposes Fixing Obamacare With a New, Government-Run Health Insurance Plan [reason.com]

Yesterday, President Obama put forth another solution—a reform to his original health care reform. In an article for the Journal of the American Medical Association, the president reviews Obamacare's performance, highlighting the law's success in increasing health insurance coverage rates. But the article also serves as a tacit admission that the law is not working as intended, particularly when it comes to competition. Naturally, it proposes further government intervention in the health care sector.

In the JAMA article, the president proposes creating a government run insurance plan, or a "public option," that would exist alongside private health insurance, at least in the mostly rural areas where competition is sparse or nonexistent. "Congress," he wrote, "should revisit a public plan to compete alongside private insurers in areas of the country where competition is limited."

Obamacare resulted in the creation of 23 co-ops across the nation, some of which served hundreds of thousands of customers. As of this month, however, only 10 remain fully operational. The other 13 have either shut down, or announced that they plan to by the end of the year.

The reason for every closing has been the same: Premiums were set too low to cover the cost of medical expenses. The losses mounted. The co-ops couldn't make the finances work. With each closing, taxpayers have had to swallow losses for the loans that funded their operations.

Democratic proponents of the plans have argued that Republicans sabotaged them by cutting their funding. But the point of these plans—just as Obama promised of the public option—was that they would be independent and self-sufficient. If the argument is that they could not survive without injections of federal funding, without payments from federal funds to backstop their operations, without political support when they struggle with finances, then the argument is that they cannot compete. There is little reason to believe that a full-fledged public option, entirely run by the government, would fare any better. It would, however, be much harder to shut down, and much more likely to be propped up by additional federal funding if it failed to completely cover its expenses on its own—leaving an ongoing cost to taxpayers rather than the one-time hit incurred by the failures of the co-ops.
Many of us saw this coming a mile away. He and Democrats wanted gov't health care, but didn't have the votes. So they created a monstrosity that no one read that we all--including Obama et al--knew would fail, and they passed it on a purely partisan basis so that they could then come back and say, in classic Democrat fashion, "See? We didn't go far enough. We need more legislation and more money."
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Obama Proposes Fixing Obamacare With a New, Government-Run Health Insurance Plan [reason.com]

Yesterday, President Obama put forth another solution—a reform to his original health care reform. In an article for the Journal of the American Medical Association, the president reviews Obamacare's performance, highlighting the law's success in increasing health insurance coverage rates. But the article also serves as a tacit admission that the law is not working as intended, particularly when it comes to competition. Naturally, it proposes further government intervention in the health care sector.

In the JAMA article, the president proposes creating a government run insurance plan, or a "public option," that would exist alongside private health insurance, at least in the mostly rural areas where competition is sparse or nonexistent. "Congress," he wrote, "should revisit a public plan to compete alongside private insurers in areas of the country where competition is limited."

Obamacare resulted in the creation of 23 co-ops across the nation, some of which served hundreds of thousands of customers. As of this month, however, only 10 remain fully operational. The other 13 have either shut down, or announced that they plan to by the end of the year.

The reason for every closing has been the same: Premiums were set too low to cover the cost of medical expenses. The losses mounted. The co-ops couldn't make the finances work. With each closing, taxpayers have had to swallow losses for the loans that funded their operations.

Democratic proponents of the plans have argued that Republicans sabotaged them by cutting their funding. But the point of these plans—just as Obama promised of the public option—was that they would be independent and self-sufficient. If the argument is that they could not survive without injections of federal funding, without payments from federal funds to backstop their operations, without political support when they struggle with finances, then the argument is that they cannot compete. There is little reason to believe that a full-fledged public option, entirely run by the government, would fare any better. It would, however, be much harder to shut down, and much more likely to be propped up by additional federal funding if it failed to completely cover its expenses on its own—leaving an ongoing cost to taxpayers rather than the one-time hit incurred by the failures of the co-ops.
He needs to just go quietly into the night already. Bye bye lame duck. After 7 1/2 years, it's time to stop thinking about your legacy and just go away.
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Many of us saw this coming a mile away. He and Democrats wanted gov't health care, but didn't have the votes. So they created a monstrosity that no one read that we all--including Obama et al--knew would fail, and they passed it on a purely partisan basis so that they could then come back and say, in classic Democrat fashion, "See? We didn't go far enough. We need more legislation and more money."
Or we need completely new plan.
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He needs to just go quietly into the night already. Bye bye lame duck. After 7 1/2 years, it's time to stop thinking about your legacy and just go away.
!@#$$%^ your legacy, Mr. Obama.
Please pardon my French. Stick Out Tongue
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Democratic proponents of the plans have argued that Republicans sabotaged them by cutting their funding.
That's a strange thing for them to be complaining about when their feckless leader actually signed the bill authorizing that cut to the funding as part of a massive budget bill...

Rubio budget win is dealing heavy blow to ObamaCare [thehill.com]

Dems own this complete and utter trainwreck to our healthcare system.
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