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10" Spindle Abscond All Natural Latex Mattress: Full $1045, Queen $1235, King $1568 + free shipping & custom firmness/layers

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Deal [spindlemattress.com]use coupon code: SPINDLE-BF for extra 5% off + free shipping (tax only in Mass).

Prices are: Full $1045, Queen $1235, King $1568 + free shipping. The bed will come in several UPS boxes and you just open it and assemble the layers.

I Personally have been in the market for Natural Latex so I spent last few month researching it, Pro's Con's, Manufacturers, ETC. These guys have by far the best prices in the market that I could find. Most others, especially big brand names, going to charge you $3-5k for all natural latex mattress. They will also hide layers (ever noticed a mattress and no detailed information about its layers?), or use brand names to hide actual type of foam/materials. Many natural latex mattresses that are under $3k, usually have 1-2 layers of it (6" max and then other types of foam, such as memory or polyurethane).

I also recommend that you get their foundation. Because latex is at least 2x heavier than a typical mattress, ideally you want a wooden foundation (for breathability) with slats placed 3" less. In my research, most other wooden foundations I encountered have slats placed between 3.5" to 4.5". If you already have foundation with slats, you can buy extra wood planks and place in between to reinforce it. I think I saw them at Lowe's for below $2/plank and they will cut it to size for free.

This mattress has no complex construction or hidden layers: it's a 10" mattress with 3 x 3" continuous pour dunlop natural latex mattress + 1" from the organic cotton top + wool batting for fire protection.

They offer 4 softness layers - please see here [spindlemattress.com] for the details (construction tab)

They have also written very good articles regarding assembly [spindlemattress.com], selecting the right firmness [spindlemattress.com], and adjusting to latex [spindlemattress.com]

There are very few manufacturers who make natural latex. These guys get theirs from mountain top latex - (this is how they make it [youtube.com]). They use continuous poor dunlop method for their latex. There is little difference between talalay and dunlop method (final result) with main difference being slight softness difference at softer levels.

Some info about natural latex:

100% Natural Latex mattress is actually about 95% natural latex and ~5% binder. The main difference between natural latex versus synthetic is how it's made: natural latex is just that: all natural product (it's collected in the similar way as maple trees are tapped: a cut is made in the rubber tree and milky latex is collected). Natural latex is generally higher density than synthetic. They also feel different, with natural latex feeling springier. I handled some samples of natural latex that's how it felt to me. Best analogy I can provide is the cost difference between maple syrup and the initiation stuff in stores.
Benefits?

  • Made in USA
  • Very easy to put together (example video [youtube.com]) and because it has removable cover, it can be washed down the line.
  • All latex - featuring 3" layers in custom densities. Very easy to change comfort levels. Just unzip the cover and swap the layers.
  • Because it's a natural product, it's free of:chemicals usually found elsewhere (brominated compounds and antimony compounds).
  • Main difference between memory foam and this is the following: Latex is all natural product, sleeps much cooler than memory foam, much more durable than memory foam. Most high quality memory foam is still rare/expensive (5lbs+ density). In my view, it's better than innerspring because it offers much more support and generally should last longer. Also, most mass market innersprings use very low quality foam (mostly low density memory foam or polyurethane) that will break down in time. Mattress is only as good as it's weakest point. In this case, all natural latex has no obvious weak points.
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Hrm. Anyone try one of these in person- like, does a firm latex mattress actually "feel" firm, or is it like higher density memory foam where the firmness helps its longevity?
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Hrm. Anyone try one of these in person- like, does a firm latex mattress actually "feel" firm, or is it like higher density memory foam where the firmness helps its longevity?

Ya, I laid down on these for 3-4 hrs. I don't think firmness would necessarily help longevity as much as with foam,


I thought I would sink in, even on soft layers but I didn't. it was pretty supportive.
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Casper.com latex mattress comes with 120 nights free trial. Queen size from. Casper. Com is only 850. Free shipping both ways.
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Quote from tkkidd View Post :
Casper.com latex mattress comes with 120 nights free trial. Queen size from. Casper. Com is only 850. Free shipping both ways.
hi


that's a very different beast and according to their site, they are only offering 1.5" of natural latex, not 9" the rest is synthetic memory foam and a unknown base foam.


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  • 1.5" of continuously poured dunlop latex foam balances a 13 ILD load-deflection with an energetic springiness.
  • 1.5" proprietary blend of 4 lb high-density memory foam further relieves pressure.
BASE SUPPORT
  • Dense base foam provides resilience and long lasting support."
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hi


that's a very different beast and according to their site, they are only offering 1.5" of natural latex, not 9" the rest is synthetic memory foam and a unknown base foam.


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  • 1.5" of continuously poured dunlop latex foam balances a 13 ILD load-deflection with an energetic springiness.
  • 1.5" proprietary blend of 4 lb high-density memory foam further relieves pressure.
BASE SUPPORT
  • Dense base foam provides resilience and long lasting support."
At least they list specs of the material unlike the OP that makes up BS firmness ratings. 99.9% of the time if they aren't upfront, it's complete garbage. Considering the OP sounds like a paid ad, it's likely garbage.
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Hrm. Anyone try one of these in person- like, does a firm latex mattress actually "feel" firm, or is it like higher density memory foam where the firmness helps its longevity?
Who knows? Site won't list ILD. Likely because it's very low.

Buy latex base + 4-5lb memory foam top.
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At least they list specs of the material unlike the OP that makes up BS firmness ratings. 99.9% of the time if they aren't upfront, it's complete garbage. Considering the OP sounds like a paid ad, it's likely garbage.

how do you mean - ILD rating is a range, it's never precise.. whoever says otherwise is probably misleading you...

also, you make the mattress from 3 layers: so the overall firmness is determined by that, since it's not a 9" thick piece of latex,l the firmness would not apply.

but, approximate values are the following:

soft between 18-22 IDL
medium 24-30
firm 34-40

now: if you check their construction page I linked, they will break it down.

it's not an 'ad', every word there was written by me, based on my own research for a perfect bed. I spent several month last year researching a couch and could go into many details there.

since natural latex is only made by very few manufacturers, those values are approximate but pretty close.
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Why the accusations? It seems like a good price for a quality product. Unless you can prove otherwise, why treat OP like he's done something wrong?

I am considering replacing my mattress. It would be great to get some feedback from people who have tried the mattress.
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FYI this is dunlop latex and not talalay, dunlop actually feels a bit firmer or thicker than talalay from what I have read.

I recently got a 10" king sized blended talalay mattress from Brooklyn Bedding, it is out of the world how comfortable it is. Helped with getting rid of lower back/hip pain from an older stiff innerspring mattress I had.

Latex is better than memory foam, it does not sleep warm and it doesn't have that sinking in feeling.
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Thanks for this OP, I've been trying to decide on a bed and this may be it.
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Quote from eugenem View Post :
Why the accusations? It seems like a good price for a quality product. Unless you can prove otherwise, why treat OP like he's done something wrong?

I am considering replacing my mattress. It would be great to get some feedback from people who have tried the mattress.
don't mind him, he is generally acerbic. it can be useful, of course, to doubt everything.


I have spent about 3hrs trying these recently. but of course, it would be nice to hear from others who perhaps own this one or similar.

Quote from Raistlin1 View Post :
FYI this is dunlop latex and not talalay, dunlop actually feels a bit firmer or thicker than talalay from what I have read.

I recently got a 10" king sized blended talalay mattress from Brooklyn Bedding, it is out of the world how comfortable it is. Helped with getting rid of lower back/hip pain from an older stiff innerspring mattress I had.

Latex is better than memory foam, it does not sleep warm and it doesn't have that sinking in feeling.


I would agree, talalay feels little softer but I think dunlop performs better at firmer levels (I guess that's natural).


did you get their essense line? it's very nice Smilie
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Why the accusations? It seems like a good price for a quality product. Unless you can prove otherwise, why treat OP like he's done something wrong?

I am considering replacing my mattress. It would be great to get some feedback from people who have tried the mattress.
Heh, good point- usually the way I find deals is either looking for something for myself- or running into low price on something else while I am looking for something for myself.
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Real latex can be amazingly comfortable. I especially liked the dunlop beds from SavvyRest. Too bad I had to swallow the $2000 cost of my organic SavvyRest latex bed (Indian latex supplier) and pillow because the odor was overwhelming, even after a long time. The pillow was the worst (a talalay pillow from a different latex supplier — Latex International), but not even my mother, who is an artist who can deal with a lot of VOCs from art supplies, could stand the smell.

I am also somewhat allergic to latex which doesn't help things. I didn't know that until after I got the bed and started using it. I never had problems prior to that, including in the showroom. I had to give the bed away.
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[ that color used in most of the text/info is nearly impossible to read with the midnight skin] I'll have to look at this later
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