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Downvotes For "Not A Good Price" Should Require Links To Current Or Previous Prices

Rabble_Rabble_Rabble 2,621 2,866 August 2, 2015 at 12:05 PM
Just as downvotes for "repost" require a link to the original thread I'd like to suggest that downvotes for "not a good price" should require a link to current or previous prices. If it truly isn't a good price and someone can prove it then this would help to inform the SD community and would-be buyers.

Simply stating that a sale item isn't a good price offers no suggestion or guidance what-so-ever. I see this too often on items that are clearly a bargain or are at their historically low price point.

If this were to be instituted I'd like to see the suggested link to the better price be somehow automatically added to to the thread in order for it to help inform others.

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If this were to be instituted I'd like to see the suggested link to the better price be somehow automatically added to to the thread in order for it to help inform others.
I think this is an excellent suggestion. It would help to discourage folks from buying a deal that clearly is not a hot deal, despite however many thumbs up votes it has.
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I think this is an excellent suggestion. It would help to discourage folks from buying a deal that clearly is not a hot deal, despite however many thumbs up votes it has.
It works both ways. This method would prevent people from thread crapping without proof and it would also debunk bogus deals if someone truly did find something better. I think ideally the provided links would end up in the Wiki or at the bottom of the OP. People commonly post links to what they believe are better prices for similar but incorrect items/models. Because of this the mods, just like with repost links, would have to review the better price links before they appear on the thread. I know it's extra work for them but I truly believe this would help everyone a lot.
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Imho, if it really is a good deal, then a few down votes won't hurt the rating. The positive ratings will cover them up in no time. The same is true in reverse. If the deal isn't good to most people, the down votes will overrun the up votes. It taqes more than 1 or even 30 people to be able to control the vote. The majority opinion wins.
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At this time, as it is, if it's a crap deal and shows a thumb or few up, unknowing SD viewers assume it must be a good deal. They aren't likely to click on the voting feedback to see there are any down votes. So many members and viewers don't even know they can click on VF button and see voting percentages, -/+.

If it is made easier to provide a link to relevant comparative pricing without having to bother with making a reply, more in the community will participate in voting. I think it will encourage members posting deals to do more research and maybe rethink posting a deal as "Hot", when it's not. Better quality deals "should" be the result.
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Again, one person can't decide on their own that a deal is bad. Well, they can decide that but they can't stop others that think it's a good deal from voting up. The majority rules and I think that is what Slickdeals wants to happen.
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Again, one person can't decide on their own that a deal is bad. Well, they can decide that but they can't stop others that think it's a good deal from voting up. The majority rules and I think that is what Slickdeals wants to happen.
This isn't about trying to prevent downvotes. I'm all for the democratic community vote but if someone wants to downvote a thread because they believe they've seen a better price I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be required to post proof. Doing so only assists SDers in making informed purchases with the helpful information that others provide. I see a lot of comments on here that make it obvious people don't read the majority of thread posts (or know/use the search thread function) so this would only help to put important comparative pricing front and center.

Finding a link for a retailer or another thread that offers a better price shouldn't take any longer than the time it takes someone to find an old thread to downvote for "repost".

I really don't see a downside to this other than the mods having to do a little bit of extra work and the SD IT department having to make some changes to implement it.
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While it would be wonderful if people did post a link to a lower priced deal on the same item there are a couple of issues that come to mind.
a) People won't take the time so they will just pick a different reason for their vote.
b) The price they did see lower might be a very new eBay seller or even their own eBay store which wouldn't be allowed to be linked.
c) Sometimes it's a subjective "not a good price". Perhaps they can't find a lower price right then but know that it tends to run lower in general.

But I think the biggest one is A.. if they didn't feel like putting out the effort to link they would just chose a different reason for their TD.
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While it would be wonderful if people did post a link to a lower priced deal on the same item there are a couple of issues that come to mind.
a) People won't take the time so they will just pick a different reason for their vote.
b) The price they did see lower might be a very new eBay seller or even their own eBay store which wouldn't be allowed to be linked.
c) Sometimes it's a subjective "not a good price". Perhaps they can't find a lower price right then but know that it tends to run lower in general.

But I think the biggest one is A.. if they didn't feel like putting out the effort to link they would just chose a different reason for their TD.
I think you underestimate how much those who have stuck around actually care about the site, and how willing they are to assist in restoring the integrity of "hot deals".

I personally think there should be an automated link inserted in every OP that the product has been posted before, to link to ALL PREVIOUSLY posted deals for the same product, from any retailer.
Additionally, the historical high and low deal prices should be shown. If previously posted, of course.
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Just as downvotes for "repost" require a link to the original thread I'd like to suggest that downvotes for "not a good price" should require a link to current or previous prices. If it truly isn't a good price and someone can prove it then this would help to inform the SD community and would-be buyers.

Simply stating that a sale item isn't a good price offers no suggestion or guidance what-so-ever. I see this too often on items that are clearly a bargain or are at their historically low price point.

If this were to be instituted I'd like to see the suggested link to the better price be somehow automatically added to to the thread in order for it to help inform others.
I have some (appearingly) organized thumbs downing of my deals...drives me nuts. Posted a deal for Cardinals tickets for $6. People use it as an excuse to trash my favorite team and attack the great deal. One of the worst aspects of this site. Makes me reactant to post any deal. My deal would save people 20-30 off regular prices saving a family of four $100 or more.
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I have some (appearingly) organized thumbs downing of my deals...drives me nuts. Posted a deal for Cardinals tickets for $6. People use it as an excuse to trash my favorite team and attack the great deal. One of the worst aspects of this site. Makes me reactant to post any deal. My deal would save people 20-30 off regular prices saving a family of four $100 or more.
That's how I often feel as well. You and I, as well as many people, share this caution to post because of the senseless negative reaction that is commonly received. It makes you feel as if it's unappreciated and you're just wasting your time. I see it time and time again where the first few votes will be negative but, if the post is truly popular, the downvotes will cease as people jump on the upvote bandwagon. Posts above sseem to think this is a non issue but it's very frustrating to see the knee-jerk negative reactions chime in before the majority overrides them. And for deals that are still good but not amazing or don't have a wide audience because they're regional, if the first group of votes are downvotes for foolish and uninformed reasons it can kill that thread before it even has a chance to catch on. Regardless of what anyone says, I also believe every vote counts especially in the early stages of a thread because one or two downvotes can make the difference between a thread making "trending" or "popular" deals. If the deal makes it to the Slickdeals homepage in any of the columns it will always receive more attention.

The suggestion I'm making here to require links to better prices for "not a good price" downvotes will not solve these problems but I do believe it would atleast help to curb them. Slickdeals is a forum, and, as a forum, I would like to see as much useful information posted and as much useless, misguided criticism weeded-out as possible.

Oh, and as a RedSox fan dealing with ridiculously inflated ticket prices, if I could get $6 tickets for any stadium section to see, not just the Sox, but any major league team would be amazing
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I think you underestimate how much those who have stuck around actually care about the site, and how willing they are to assist in restoring the integrity of "hot deals".

I personally think there should be an automated link inserted in every OP that the product has been posted before, to link to ALL PREVIOUSLY posted deals for the same product, from any retailer.
Additionally, the historical high and low deal prices should be shown. If previously posted, of course.
I like this idea and i think that someday we'll get to a point where thats possible. Doing this kind of linking requires some structured data. Right now users dont always post a part number or upc or some other uniquely identifying information to be able to say "this is the same product" and link them together.

Working on something similar though, which is how you're going to see a convergence of our price tracker tool along with other cool upcoming features Smilie
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Oh, and as a RedSox fan dealing with ridiculously inflated ticket prices, if I could get $6 tickets for any stadium section to see, not just the Sox, but any major league team would be amazing
Thats what I'm saying--Busch Stadium for a weeknight game usually costs between $90-$140 per seat for lower level tickets. 3rd/4th deck are $30-50 range. Premium dates, Premium Promotions, Fridays, Saturdays--add 40-50 to a ticket. So the 10 or so times a season they have sales, I would think people would want to know. TBH, I rely on these sales more and more--prices to take my family have skyrocketed in recent years. Tough not to spend $300-350 for a family of four to see a game lately by the time you factor in gas, food, parking etc
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I like this idea and i think that someday we'll get to a point where thats possible. Doing this kind of linking requires some structured data. Right now users dont always post a part number or upc or some other uniquely identifying information to be able to say "this is the same product" and link them together.

Working on something similar though, which is how you're going to see a convergence of our price tracker tool along with other cool upcoming features Smilie
Thank you for the response. When I posted this I expected that, although it was a simple request, it would somehow be hard to implement. It may not be the exact solution I'm looking for but I'm glad to hear that you not only agree this idea, but that the Slickdeals IT staff is looking at a way to incorporate something similar with the price tracker.

As I said before, I know it would be extra work for the mods, but ideally rather that have some automated system manage this using structured data - which I agree is very hard as not all websites use UPCs, EANs, model numbers, etc. correctly - the mods would have to verify the product type/model for a proper match. Just as the repost system works, once the mods have researched the vote/request the thread would update.
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I support this idea as well. But I support it for ALL TD reasons. If you wanna TD a thread then you should HAVE to post saying why(without being snarky/snide/rude about it).

I've had multiple threads I've posted TD into oblivion, whether because it was legitimately not a good deal or people just wanted to do it for shits n giggles. Either that or they were trying to hide the deal by crapping down the thread so they can exploit it till they're satisfied. I've heard of that as another reason why deals get TD.
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