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PC build for work

komondor 5,845 2,388 September 17, 2015 at 07:49 PM
Where I work we usually buy either Dell or HP, our developers use HP workstations with dual Xeon Processors that are 5K each.

My group provides IT support and we need machines that can store a lot of files as sometimes we need to be on closed networks so we can't rely on file shares.
We use VMs a lot both VM Ware and Hyper V.

We also burn dual layer BluRays my budget was 2K and I think I hit it pretty good any suggestions also need to be able to use 4 monitors, with VMs we may have 2 or even 3 up plus regular desktop.

For the OS I am going to use my MSDN server 2012 key since it will all be for development work as in working with images and updates will have regular company PC for email web browsing etc.

All drives using RAID 1

**CPU** | [Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/inte...648i75820k) | $378.99 @ SuperBiiz

**CPU Cooler** | [Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cool...212e20pkr2) | $29.99 @ Directron

**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte GA-X99-UD5 WIFI EATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/giga...x99ud5wifi) | $293.99 @ SuperBiiz

**Memory** | [Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cruc...8g4dfd8213) | $88.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cruc...8g4dfd8213) | $88.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cruc...8g4dfd8213) | $88.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory]
(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cruc...8g4dfd8213) | $88.99 @ Newegg


**Storage** | [Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sams...z75e250bam) | $89.49 @ OutletPC
**Storage** | [Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sams...z75e250bam) | $89.49 @ OutletPC

**Storage** | [Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seag...t2000dx001) | $92.89 @ OutletPC
**Storage** | [Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seag...t2000dx001) | $92.89 @ OutletPC

**Video Card** | [Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/giga...1gaming2gd) | $189.99 @ Amazon

**Case** | [Thermaltake Chaser A71 ATX Full Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/ther...vp400m1w2n) | $117.99 @ SuperBiiz

**Power Supply** | [EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga...20p21000xr) | $187.99 @ SuperBiiz

**Optical Drive** | [Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus...b1stblkgas) | $69.70 @ Amazon

| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$1989.36**

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Where I work we usually buy either Dell or HP, our developers use HP workstations with dual Xeon Processors that are 5K each.

My group provides IT support and we need machines that can store a lot of files as sometimes we need to be on closed networks so we can't rely on file shares.
We use VMs a lot both VM Ware and Hyper V.

We also burn dual layer BluRays my budget was 2K and I think I hit it pretty good any suggestions also need to be able to use 4 monitors, with VMs we may have 2 or even 3 up plus regular desktop.

For the OS I am going to use my MSDN server 2012 key since it will all be for development work as in working with images and updates will have regular company PC for email web browsing etc.

All drives using RAID 1

**CPU** | [Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/inte...648i75820k) | $378.99 @ SuperBiiz

**CPU Cooler** | [Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cool...212e20pkr2) | $29.99 @ Directron

**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte GA-X99-UD5 WIFI EATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/giga...x99ud5wifi) | $293.99 @ SuperBiiz

**Memory** | [Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cruc...8g4dfd8213) | $88.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cruc...8g4dfd8213) | $88.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cruc...8g4dfd8213) | $88.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory]
(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cruc...8g4dfd8213) | $88.99 @ Newegg


**Storage** | [Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sams...z75e250bam) | $89.49 @ OutletPC
**Storage** | [Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sams...z75e250bam) | $89.49 @ OutletPC

**Storage** | [Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seag...t2000dx001) | $92.89 @ OutletPC
**Storage** | [Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seag...t2000dx001) | $92.89 @ OutletPC

**Video Card** | [Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/giga...1gaming2gd) | $189.99 @ Amazon

**Case** | [Thermaltake Chaser A71 ATX Full Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/ther...vp400m1w2n) | $117.99 @ SuperBiiz

**Power Supply** | [EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga...20p21000xr) | $187.99 @ SuperBiiz

**Optical Drive** | [Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus...b1stblkgas) | $69.70 @ Amazon

| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$1989.36**

Out of curiosity:

1. Why would you be building a PC yourself for corporate work? Companies almost never do this since it is harder to support and there is no built in service\warranty.

2. Why would you do Raid 1? Mirroring is enormously expensive as it doubles the cost for drives and slows down things. Raid 5 would be better if you can't afford to lose data for any small period of time or go Raid 0 with a backup methodology that works or you if you can tolerate the loss of a day or less of work.

3. Seagate drives?...would want no part of that. If the data is important, then Seagate is the last place one should be going imo. WD Blacks or better.

4. Why do you need a 190 dollar video board on a business class machine? Unless they are graphic artists or doing Cad\Cam work or something along those lines, a basic video board capable of HD output is probably sufficient.
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Well I do work for a very large company and for my current program I am in the It support group. The corporate solutions, would cost a lot more than building it ourselves and would not really meet our needs. My experience has been that if the PC works for 1 week it will work for quite a while, so the warranty would not be that big of a deal.

Mirroring vs RAID 5 for RAID 5 we would need 2 more drives so more cost and more space. The program uses RAID 1 for most of their OS drives and that is also what I have done myself.

The hard drives, thanks for the tip witl probably go with WD Red 2 TB drives and 2 of these video cards
GIGABYTE GV-N75TOC-2GI G-SYNC Support GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Video Card

there is some simulation software that we may need to run so we do need a somewhat beefy video card and Nvidia is what the developers use.

Thanks for the comments Smilie
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Well I do work for a very large company and for my current program I am in the It support group. The corporate solutions, would cost a lot more than building it ourselves and would not really meet our needs. My experience has been that if the PC works for 1 week it will work for quite a while, so the warranty would not be that big of a deal.

Mirroring vs RAID 5 for RAID 5 we would need 2 more drives so more cost and more space. The program uses RAID 1 for most of their OS drives and that is also what I have done myself.

The hard drives, thanks for the tip witl probably go with WD Red 2 TB drives and 2 of these video cards
GIGABYTE GV-N75TOC-2GI G-SYNC Support GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Video Card

there is some simulation software that we may need to run so we do need a somewhat beefy video card and Nvidia is what the developers use.

Thanks for the comments Smilie
I thought Red's were NAS drives? You might look at HGST drives, they are proving to be the most reliable at least according to backblaze over the last several years.

I still question the 2 gpu, can the software support a gaming card in SLI? You likely don't need that 1000W PSU those are pretty low power use cards I do believe. For work I would go for a case without a windows otherwise it looks like you're a gamer.
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I wouldn't build a custom computer for work. I've seen this done and often times it works out okay but imagine if you are the person that orders a bunch of parts and can never get the dang thing working right (seen it in action). You feel and look like a fool. And now what does your employer think about you not having a reliable workstation? Who's fault is it and what are YOU going to do about fixing it.

The person that I've seen this happen to thought warranties and companies would all make it right and it wasn't the case. It was not a pretty picture.

I build my home computers and I order my work computers not because I've ever had a problem but I'm not going to answer for a mistake that can be placed on me.
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Well I do work for a very large company and for my current program I am in the It support group. The corporate solutions, would cost a lot more than building it ourselves and would not really meet our needs. My experience has been that if the PC works for 1 week it will work for quite a while, so the warranty would not be that big of a deal.

Mirroring vs RAID 5 for RAID 5 we would need 2 more drives so more cost and more space. The program uses RAID 1 for most of their OS drives and that is also what I have done myself.

The hard drives, thanks for the tip witl probably go with WD Red 2 TB drives and 2 of these video cards
GIGABYTE GV-N75TOC-2GI G-SYNC Support GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Video Card

there is some simulation software that we may need to run so we do need a somewhat beefy video card and Nvidia is what the developers use.

Thanks for the comments Smilie


I do not disagree with any of that. I used to run Dev and Operations (among other things) for an IT group inside of a large company and would routinely argue with purchasing which was more concerned with how much kick backs they got off the outdated equipment they wanted to give us than getting us what we requested and needed (though they obviously would never admit that). Often bought systems and parts on my own authority, but still was not a fan of having to deal with repair work on my own as sending machines out was not an option by and large and telling a VP that a project was delayed because you were waiting for company X to ship a replacement drive\board, etc. was not a wise thing to do lol. Some sort of warranty\machine level service package for a decent sized group was worth the price to me to avoid having to personally get involved every time someone had a disk go bad, monitor fry, laptop break, etc. Yes that costs money as well, but as I used to say to the bean counters, "do you want the developers to get work done effectively or do you want them to sit around playing pc repair man?"

As to Raid 5, yes it is more expensive up to a point as you lose one drive for the checksum. So if you planned on adding more space\a larger array, it would get cheaper potentially with Raid 5. I was always of the opinion that if it was important data and important that the company not waste any time, than spend the money to do it right (Raid 5). If not, then a daily backup system with Raid 0 was fine and the worst that happens is someone loses a days worth of work\changes on the rare occasion when a drive goes bad. Mirroring is sort of OK as an interim solution, but I found it to be just as burdensome if not more so to manage operationally and less flexible and more costly in the long run if your system's people are expanding the size of their work\apps quickly.

The 750ti is a good card. Have one myself that I bought for an older i7 box I have to replace the original video board. Found it to be a very good bang for the buck, esp. if you can get it on sale and am quite happy with it.
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I definitely wouldn't bother with RAID1 SSDs. Just use one drive and back it up.

With your budget, I personally would rather have a 4790K with 32GB of RAM and spend the extra money on some 1TB 850 Pro SSDs to run VMs on instead of spinning disks. Running multiple VMs on a single 7200 RPM drive is painful.

But maybe I'm just spoiled. Big Grin

Also, I'd stick with the GTX 960 and cut back to a nice 600-650W PSU.
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you would store all your info in the cloud


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Maybe I'm being a bit paranoid, but if I were building something with 64GB of memory for work, I'd probably use ECC RAM. I guess it depends specifically what you're doing with the machine and what your tolerance is for bit errors. Also, ECC memory brings you into the world of Xeons and paying too much for things.

Going for two 750's in an SLI config vs. one more powerful card seems like an unnecessary complication to me, but I haven't run the numbers.
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I'm going to agree with the thoughts of the others in this thread - this is NOT a good idea "for work" - if you really don't want the standard dell or HP, go from one of the more boutique builders, but still let them build it for you & give you a warranty for it - you don't want to have to explain that you spend X hours debugging the system you build when something doesn't work right a year from now vs you put in a support ticket to resolve the issue
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Thanks for all the input, i am still getting the numbers together, seems like about 6K for any system with 64GB of ram we need to be able to run at least 25 win 7 VMs to test KMS keys. We do all our work in a closed network or with minimal internet access for updates. No Cloud storage for us, not using SLI but we do want to be able to use 4 monitors. When testing deployments need to be able to have the server and target up along with regular desktop and even another persons computer for multitasking.

Because of where the systems ar even if we have onsite support we still do the actual hardware work.
The only problems I have ever had with a PC system has been power supply related and from what I can tell the power supply is pretty much top notch, we could wind up putting in a couple of more drives and adding in a second Blu ray burner. I like the case as it offers a lot of drive bays, we are looking at building probably 7 of these and will buy the parts for 1 to work out any bugs, Current plan is to use server 2012 or possibly 2016.
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Thanks for all the input, i am still getting the numbers together, seems like about 6K for any system with 64GB of ram we need to be able to run at least 25 win 7 VMs to test KMS keys. We do all our work in a closed network or with minimal internet access for updates. No Cloud storage for us, not using SLI but we do want to be able to use 4 monitors. When testing deployments need to be able to have the server and target up along with regular desktop and even another persons computer for multitasking.

Because of where the systems ar even if we have onsite support we still do the actual hardware work.
The only problems I have ever had with a PC system has been power supply related and from what I can tell the power supply is pretty much top notch, we could wind up putting in a couple of more drives and adding in a second Blu ray burner. I like the case as it offers a lot of drive bays, we are looking at building probably 7 of these and will buy the parts for 1 to work out any bugs, Current plan is to use server 2012 or possibly 2016.
That isn't the job of a workstation. This is exactly why you would want a server with VMWare on it. No good?

I'm really confused on why you would want a local virtualization setup as opposed to a server hosted one. You could even segregate different networks that each employee could use for their dev testing. It would be a lot cheaper to buy a couple of servers and have everyone on normal workstations than it is to buy everyone their own server.

VMWare is designed to handle exactly what you are wanting. You could end up with a wildly awesome dev cluster instead of isolated testing platforms.

I don't get the route you are taking -- it just doesn't make any sense to me.
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The whole thing is we don't always have a network to use. For example one delivery that I need to test may have 6 servers and 3 or 4 workstations that I have as VM, Hyper V is included with Server 2012 with my MSDN.

Basically my workstation is going to be a server, MSDN does not allow sharing of resources, so if we did buy a server it would be pretty expensive compared to the workstations. I have one server it has 24 hard drives and 144 GB of RAM but it is limited by the buildings 100MB network. The server was a refurb and at 30% off it was still just under 10K, plus we would still need something to connect to the server and loading media could be a pain.

This is a very large over 100K employees, networking is done by one group and they follow corporate policy, all the standard computers are heavily loaded by Mcafee Antivirus and Mcafee data loss prevention.
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This software has prevented us from being able to burn DVDs as well as copy data from file shares.

The workstations being part of the development network don't have the same crap on them.

I do appreciate the time for the comments since I am still working up the paperwork to submit the idea to management.
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I was just talking to a friend that does server admin and he said the company is looking to go to a white box server solution rather than HP or Dell. (Like Google or Amazon)

http://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn-u...ll-and-ibm
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