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What is an amateur IT guy worth?

Loooooooooooong 205 41 September 23, 2015 at 09:40 PM
I have been helping my family with their business. Their social media and computer knowledge in general is atrocious so I have gotten them on their feet recently. They want to pay me, I have no idea what I'm actually worth though. I've put in about 5-10 hrs so far which includes trouble shooting their computers and reforming their Facebook/Twitter/Website a bit. I will also be continuing to make posts and potentially design a few simple advertisements. I know this is vague but any help is appreciated.

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well, some of it depends on where you are located, but I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a minimum if 15 and upwards of 30 per hour.
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Good on them they want to pay you. That seems to rarely happen with family it seems.

Hard to say. If the nature of the work is just social media, it's probably less than say virus removal, but the time is more difficult to keep track of. Location matters as does your time. Is this taking the place of going home and studying for your next cert for that promotion, or is it in place of watching TV?

I am a full time IT guy but do some on the side too. Last week I terminated some wiring at a new office for a guy. I gave him a slight discount because it was close and he does a lot of things for my business/family. When I created the bill I am kind of underwhelmed but hey it's extra spending money and adds up. I have an upcoming job thats the friend of a relative. From their email it sounds like a 6+ hour job (MultiPC clean up, network troubleshoot and more) and I know I have to balance the rate of work.
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Good on them they want to pay you. That seems to rarely happen with family it seems.

Hard to say. If the nature of the work is just social media, it's probably less than say virus removal, but the time is more difficult to keep track of. Location matters as does your time. Is this taking the place of going home and studying for your next cert for that promotion, or is it in place of watching TV?

I am a full time IT guy but do some on the side too. Last week I terminated some wiring at a new office for a guy. I gave him a slight discount because it was close and he does a lot of things for my business/family. When I created the bill I am kind of underwhelmed but hey it's extra spending money and adds up. I have an upcoming job thats the friend of a relative. From their email it sounds like a 6+ hour job (MultiPC clean up, network troubleshoot and more) and I know I have to balance the rate of work.
You're too nice Liquid!
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No, seriously, Finzz' estimate of from $15 to $30 per hour is reasonable.
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How are they paying you? If it's cash, $15-30 sounds reasonable, but if they are going to file a 1099 I'd double those numbers.
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How are they paying you? If it's cash, $15-30 sounds reasonable, but if they are going to file a 1099 I'd double those numbers.
If they file for amateur work that would just be offensive, but true on the doubling the rate in that case.

I have seen stuff where the rates are about in that range but there is either a minimum number of hours or a higher rate for the first hour to cover setup and travel.

Would be annoying for them to try and charge for half an hour of work when they live 45 minutes away.
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How are they paying you? If it's cash, $15-30 sounds reasonable, but if they are going to file a 1099 I'd double those numbers.
I concur. I've been in the same situation and built up personal clientele through family/friends that turned into some business work.

I generally charged 30 to the home user and twice that to the business user.

You always need to factor in the time it takes you to get to your destination, fuel costs, etc..

Generally I was lighter with my fee's on friends and family because I understood their financial needs and situation.

You always charge businesses more because they may require immediate onsite assistance at times. On demand will cost more $$ but will insure that I'm there when you need me.

Sometimes it's also good to get on some sort of retainer plan ($ every x amount of months) so that you get paid a flat rate because there will be times when you are doing a lot, and times where you just stop by to check on the machines and it only takes 15 minutes.

I did a lot of work for my fathers family business over many years and I rarely ever charged them because it was "family" business and even though I was not pursuing a career in it, I wanted to see it survive, the family profit, and be a part of it in some way.

Your call man. If they want to pay you then I'd say no less than $30.
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For a business I charge 50-75.00/hr may or may not include drive time.
For home users I do it for free and usually get gift cards for local eateries.
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Haha well one of the guys is a handyman so I get the perc of being able to text him when I have home owner problems and get a suggestion etc. Pretty nice when things happen at odd times.
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If this is web site\internet work, it depends on what you want to compare it to lol and whether on or off the books.

If you want to go like many big corps and compare it to offshore "talent" making $10 a day (which is why IT as a field just plain stinks and anyone going into it these days is certifiable) then you may as well not bother and just collect welfare lol.

If you want to compare it to professional developers who know what they are doing locally in the US, you are talking 50-75 dollars an hour.

If this is general maintenance type work for PCs, then follow what others have noted depending on whether business or personal customers.

I generally stopped doing PC config\build\setup work for friends. There is not enough money in it.
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I never charge people I just feel sorry for them on friend call centurylink (DSL provider) and they told them his DSL was fine to call Microsoft at a 800# that was actually a 3rd party ripoff company that had him run superantispyware and said that all the cookies were bad and for 200.00 they would fix it for him.

I am lucky my job can't be outsourced at all so I am pretty secure in IT.
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I never charge people I just feel sorry for them on friend call centurylink (DSL provider) and they told them his DSL was fine to call Microsoft at a 800# that was actually a 3rd party ripoff company that had him run superantispyware and said that all the cookies were bad and for 200.00 they would fix it for him.

I am lucky my job can't be outsourced at all so I am pretty secure in IT.

All IT jobs can be outsourced if a company really wants to. My last place got rid of all IT. People with 10-40 years at the company and custom system knowledge were all nuked along with everyone else. The only people that survived were useless program managers who were suck ups and politically connected. And they also outsourced all of Customer Service, Accounts Payable and Credit. After all, the dirt bag CEO and his cronies had to get the stock price up to get their bonuses and their is nothing Wall Street loves more than mass layoffs.

Place was run by imbeciles. We had one of his cronies who was SR VP of Dev who during a high level meeting proudly stated that she hated MS and asked why our servers were running Windows and Unix and why we had no Mac servers lol (she actually compared server operations to doing work on her Ipad). She had an English degree so that of course qualified her to run IT in the place lol. She also made us switch off MS Exchange to Google Mail and when the head of the mail team pointed out what a dumb idea it was he was let go immediately.
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Not my job requires us citizen and other stuff done by the government polygraph fingerprints the whole 9 yards, no outsourcing possible.

https://www.clearancejobs.com/reg...lsrc=aw.ds

http://www.clearedconnections.com/Default.htm

http://jobs.monster.com/v-securit...-jobs.aspx


They always want to hire younger unskilled/less skilled people but the smart programs know the value of an experienced employee.
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Not my job requires us citizen and other stuff done by the government polygraph fingerprints the whole 9 yards, no outsourcing possible.

https://www.clearancejobs.com/reg...lsrc=aw.ds

http://www.clearedconnections.com/Default.htm

http://jobs.monster.com/v-securit...-jobs.aspx


They always want to hire younger unskilled/less skilled people but the smart programs know the value of an experienced employee.
Smart and IT management are mutually exclusive for the most part. Experience means nothing to morons who look at IT as an expense line item the same way you or I look at the cost of someone mowing our lawn. 1 year experience offshore or 25 years in the industry...make no difference to most of the fools in my experience.

I worked in IT for 25+ years in multiple companies both as an employee and a high paid consultant and both as a programmer and mid-level management and I can honestly say I never once met a SR IT VP who was not some form of complete moron and\or total a-hole. Occasionally you would run into a Director that was technically sharp and knew what they were doing, but once it hit VP level, the only debate usually was to decide whether they were worthless, do-nothing politicians or net negatives requiring people to expend energy to undo the damage they caused with their stupid ideas and "visions". The better ones often were the ones that did not do anything and as such did no harm.

Yes security clearance\military\gov jobs are the last hold out. Of course with the defense industry being cut back to near nothing while we spend on welfare, there is little hope for job prospects there long term imo. As I said before, anyone going into IT or any technical field these days is a complete fool imo. Competing with off shore types while they turn us into a third world nation is not the path to take imo.
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