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Windows 7 Pro 64bit grew without hibernate?

ms2000 1,315 32 September 26, 2015 at 09:47 PM
I bought a SSD 120GB and put it in a i5 laptop

Win 7 grew to 50GB and I do not have hibernation turned on.

So tried out the old hdd which is 250GB - but its performance is not as good as the SSD

What are some tips?

Should I go to Ubuntu - but Ubuntu alone is not sufficient as I need Microsoft Office as open office is not sophisticated enough.

Is there a way to keep Win7 small?

Update:
I do not like the fact Win7 is taking too much space - it has slowly grown. I am not a gamer or anything - it is for professional usage - most programs are installed in a different partition too.

So I am looking for ways to manage Win7 HDD usage - alternatively looking for another OS.

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your post makes no sense what is your actual question or issue?
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your post makes no sense what is your actual question or issue?
I updated the post above
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Windows OS space will always grow if you do not manage updates, installs, temp files, internet files, page files, recycle bins, etc. properly. Considering switching OS because one does not have knowledge about proper disk and OS maintenance on a PC is sort of like buying a Mac because one does not want to understand directories, folders and files\how to delete files and wants to use a trash can icon instead lol. Try getting a maintenance cleanup tool like Norton or CCleaner if you do not know how to do it yourself.
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Windows OS space will always grow if you do not manage updates, installs, temp files, internet files, page files, recycle bins, etc. properly. Considering switching OS because one does not have knowledge about proper disk and OS maintenance on a PC is sort of like buying a Mac because one does not want to understand directories, folders and files\how to delete files and wants to use a trash can icon instead lol. Try getting a maintenance cleanup tool like Norton or CCleaner if you do not know how to do it yourself.
I've done most of these - it is not what causing it - if u google it, you will see others have similar complaints.
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I've done most of these - it is not what causing it - if u google it, you will see others have similar complaints.

Windows Updates will always increase the size on disk. Same for updates to stuff like java, adobe, Office, AV and anything else you have installed on your main drive, etc. Add in temp files while stuff runs and memory dumps if your PC crashes. A certain grow is unavoidable as such though it is made much worse if you do not maintain things. If it is anything significant week to week, then you are not properly handling everything in all likelihood.

I run Win 7 laptops with Office on a 100 GB SSD...no problem.

I will also point out though that the smaller the disk, the less room for being slack on this stuff and potentially the greater chance you run out of space if you run something disk IO intensive or something that wants to download some huge set of files. It is what it is. Also, 50GB for a Win 7 installation with Office is not that bad and if you are complaining about an extra 10 GB or so on the OS drive, then you bought too small an SSD imo.
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don't forget system restore and temp files.
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maybe just recycle bin bug. TreeSize to find and delete them
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maybe just recycle bin bug. TreeSize to find and delete them
I tried it -
C:\Windows\Installer has 4 GB

Online states not to delete these! Any workaround?

Also, does win 10 take less space - for my Elitebook 2760p, HP does not have any win10 drivers yet.
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I tried it -
C:\Windows\Installer has 4 GB

Online states not to delete these! Any workaround?

Also, does win 10 take less space - for my Elitebook 2760p, HP does not have any win10 drivers yet.

Why are you so obsessed with a few\4 Gbs of space in this instance? Even if you can get rid of it, is it going to change the price of tea in China for you? You have a 120 GB SSD drive and a 50 GB windows installation with Office. That is fine and well within normal bounds in my experience. If your issue is there is not enough space on the SSD to do anything serious with or store your entire family picture and music collection, etc. then you should have known that ahead of time\you bought too small an SSD for your needs. A 120GB OS disk without a secondary drive will be sufficient for basic use but you will not have space to install or maintain a lot of other stuff. Worrying about a small amount of GBs trying to trim the Windows OS down a few GBs in order to solve a lack of space issue in the first place is sort of like a person having a diet soda with his all you can eat buffet special lol. Yes it helps a little, but is basically irrelevant in the big picture.
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Why are you so obsessed with a few\4 Gbs of space in this instance? Even if you can get rid of it, is it going to change the price of tea in China for you? You have a 120 GB SSD drive and a 50 GB windows installation with Office. That is fine and well within normal bounds in my experience. If your issue is there is not enough space on the SSD to do anything serious with or store your entire family picture and music collection, etc. then you should have known that ahead of time\you bought too small an SSD for your needs. A 120GB OS disk without a secondary drive will be sufficient for basic use but you will not have space to install or maintain a lot of other stuff. Worrying about a small amount of GBs trying to trim the Windows OS down a few GBs in order to solve a lack of space issue in the first place is sort of like a person having a diet soda with his all you can eat buffet special lol. Yes it helps a little, but is basically irrelevant in the big picture.
False assumptions - ' ... store your entire family picture and music collection, etc ..."

Wrong "...basically irrelevant in the big picture..." - because it can give 10% space needed for the defrg to work!

I never expected Win 7 OS to grew to 50GB - after installing it was in the neighborhood of 25GB - it doubled!
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False assumptions - ' ... store your entire family picture and music collection, etc ..."

Wrong "...basically irrelevant in the big picture..." - because it can give 10% space needed for the defrg to work!

I never expected Win 7 OS to grew to 50GB - after installing it was in the neighborhood of 25GB - it doubled!

Any tech person who has worked on Windows for any period of time knows it gets bigger over time from the initial install as you install stuff. Install Office...install programs...install programs that need the .net frameworks and their half a dozen or more versions...install java...install adobe...install printer drivers...install USB device drivers for stuff you have...install additional display drivers...etc. Add in Windows updates, temp files, etc. It is what it is. Can the added bloat be kept to a min...sure. But that requires due diligence in that regard and the nuking of update files periodically, cleaning of temp file, etc. as was noted earlier.

And you need the extra 25 gb for what? Again, if 25 gbs is that important to you, you bought too small SSD. Most systems come with 500 GB or 1 TB drives these days. Small SSDs are good for minimal machines or machines with large secondary magnetic drives to store stuff. If you have a higher end laptop or have more robust space needs, then you need a larger SSD or need to install a secondary drive if the laptop supports that. You might be better served reselling the 120 GB SD and going and buying a 256 GB one rather than trying to squeeze disk space blood from the Windows OS stone lol.

And as to the defrag, that should be turned off with an SSD. It can in theory reduce the life span of the SSD. SSDs have a fixed number of writes available to them to each cell. While many studies show that most will survive far longer than the expected life time of the machine they are on anyway, there is no real advantage to defragging the file system on an already fast SSD and running down the write counts esp when you factor in that each read is direct to cell and there is no speed gain reading continuous sectors\blocks with SSD tech (there are no spinning platters and magnetic heads that need to be moved). Same for the indexing service.

http://helpdeskgeek.com/featured-...ag-an-ssd/
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OP Have you run windows Disk cleanup? I would guess your SXS folder is big. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2795190

You really should run a utility like treesize and figure out what is taking up the room and then how to address it.
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OP Have you run windows Disk cleanup? I would guess your SXS folder is big. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2795190

You really should run a utility like treesize and figure out what is taking up the room and then how to address it.
I just ran it - you know what, free space decreased by 0.3GB as a result!
Also the link you pasted states not to empty files manually.

See below my treesize - what could be done - I have 8GB ram on my win 7 64bit pro:
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I just ran it - you know what, free space decreased by 0.3GB as a result!
Also the link you pasted states not to empty files manually.

See below my treesize - what could be done - I have 8GB ram on my win 7 64bit pro:
When you ran the cleanup did you do the following to cleanup the update components? http://www.howtogeek.com/174705/h...ws-7-or-8/ that being said the SXS folder is pretty mixed on if you should or should not touch it. http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/f...lder-size/

You can decrease your page file size if you need to, but I would still leave a few gb to it since it's pretty easy to fill up 8gb of ram with a few programs, and browser tabs. http://www.howtogeek.com/196238/h...tition-be/

Post the full height of your treesize there. You can blur out any sensitive name of things if you would like. There is more there than just the picture shows.

While the pain is real with a format that's your best bet in something like this if you must. Windows has been known to grow in size as it ages. I am betting your system hasn't been formatted in several years or ever?
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