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need help considering virtual vs physical server

br1ckhouse 339 50 October 2, 2015 at 09:33 AM
We're in the process of adding two new servers for our Shoretel applications (VoIP). We asked about upgrading our current hyper v machine and the quote came back for $6.1k (about $1.3k for hardware upgrade and the rest for labor on installing hardware and creating the VMs).

This is quite a sticker shock for me and makes me rethink if I want the servers to be virtualized. I have a spare server lying around and since the applications are really low powered, I am considering just buying a budget level business class server and having both applications on physical servers. Obviously, it would be nice to virtualize them but with that labor cost, I'm having a hard time getting past the initial costs.

How would you go about this if you're on a limited budget for your business?

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I think I would learn how to do it myself creating a VM is about a 30 minute process at most and for a low resource requirement even easier.


What are you running for the OS Server 2008R2 or 2012R2 or?

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-...46766.aspx

longest video is 23 minutes


https://www.google.com/webhp?sour...ve&tbm=vid
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Quote from komondor View Post :
I think I would learn how to do it myself creating a VM is about a 30 minute process at most and for a low resource requirement even easier.


What are you running for the OS Server 2008R2 or 2012R2 or?

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-...46766.aspx [microsoft.com]

longest video is 23 minutes


https://www.google.com/webhp?sour...ve&tbm=vid [google.com]
Thanks. Either OS is fine with us. I am assuming 2012 r2 since we don't need to worry about end of life for a lot longer. Not sure if there's any consideration about resource use if I buy a budget server but I'm assuming not as the requirements for both applications is a dual core processor and 4 gb of ram.
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I sort of am inclined to just go with what you know in a situation where budget is a concern and the footprint is small. If you already know how to set up a physical server, there really is no reason to worry about VMs. It buys you little if your needs are modest. Scalability and the need to reconfig on the fly are great but if you do not need them or foresee the need in the next couple of years, all you are really doing is paying extra for features you are not going to use.

Additionally, if you want to take on the task of learning the tech yourself, that is fine, but there is also support and the like if something goes wrong or you need something dealt with in a hurry for the business. If you feel comfortable doing it then by all means, but again, since it looks like you really do not need it you have to determine whether the extra costs and extra responsibility are worth the aggravation to you


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My response will be the same as your last thread for this. You *should* virtualize for a lot of reasons.

You are talking about the cost and sticker shock but that is because you are outsourcing the job. And because you keep talking about money, then you clearly want to do it the cheapest way -- so just do it that way.

One thing to keep in mind, do you think you will need to add additional servers/services to your infrastructure in the next couple of years? If so, why would you not have a virtual environment that you can easily spool up new servers without additional hardware costs.

Remember, you depreciate the cost of equipment for a business over a span of years.

Virtualized systems are soooo incredibly easy to backup and restore. These systems are hardware agnostic whereas other backup methods that you employ are likely cumbersome and process intensive.

You can do it cheap or you can do it right. Doing it right doesn't have to break the bank but you need to pay for it. There is extremely little labor that goes into a ShoreTel installation if you already have one and it is setup properly. If someone was going to configure it from the ground up and you have a lot of needs then it could be time consuming.

I'm not exactly sure what you are wanting from this forum regarding this. You either want to save as much money as you can or you want a resilient setup that is designed to be highly reliable.
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Oh and just for the record, support from ShoreTel ONLY occurs through your ShoreTel partner. You cannot get support directly.

And just to clarify, it may help if you give us how many users your business has, and how many servers.

I don't have a good grasp on your company at this time as the need for ECC makes me think your infrastructure should be virtualized (not that it has to be but it points that direction).
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Have you considered virtual hosting like AWS services (Amazon)? Virtual servers make a lot more sense when you don't keep a data center on premises. Depending how big you are you might want to do a cost analysis.

But agree with others - installing the software is simple.
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These [bitnami.com] do both. Nice thing about VMs is one can easily move from local to cloud, and back if needed.
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