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Win 7 upgrade help

Eaglefan 573 118 October 3, 2015 at 02:50 PM
Hey All,

Due to a business need I have to upgrade two computers that currently run XP to Win 7 64. They both have a P4 and 2G 184 pin RAM with an IGC. There are no extra slots for RAM and I have to run my companies build that include antivirus and other bloat ware.

New computers would run me around $4K a piece due to the proprietary build and custom MB.

Would there be any benefit to slap in a cheap PCI vid card to free up some RAM? Anything else I can do to improve performance?

Thanks.

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your question makes no sense you can upgrade an obsolete computer but cannot just buy a new PC for 600 Bucks?
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your question makes no sense you can upgrade an obsolete computer but cannot just buy a new PC for 600 Bucks?

Yup. Add in a new XPS 8700 with a 4th gen or better i7 proc, 8 GB of Ram, OK video board, 1 TB drive, Win 7\Win 10, etc. can be had for all of 800 dollars or less from Dell. Trying to upgrade a P4 is ridiculous at this point and a total waste of money. It should have been sent to the scrap heap years ago.
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Yup. Add in a new XPS 8700 with a 4th gen or better i7 proc, 8 GB of Ram, OK video board, 1 TB drive, Win 7\Win 10, etc. can be had for all of 800 dollars or less from Dell. Trying to upgrade a P4 is ridiculous at this point and a total waste of money. It should have been sent to the scrap heap years ago.
Maybe I mis-stated.

THE COMPUTER IS A SPECIAL BUILD WITH CUSTOM MB TO RUN PROPIETARY HARDWARE.

UPGRADE COST FOR A NEW COMPUTER FROM THE SUPPLIER IS....$4,000.00 DOLLARS.

If it were as simple as going to Dell, or hell, build my own I would not have posted.
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Maybe I mis-stated.

THE COMPUTER IS A SPECIAL BUILD WITH CUSTOM MB TO RUN PROPIETARY HARDWARE.

UPGRADE COST FOR A NEW COMPUTER FROM THE SUPPLIER IS....$4,000.00 DOLLARS.

If it were as simple as going to Dell, or hell, build my own I would not have posted.
what is custom about the motherboard? What is the custom hardware. Give us more info so we can help you. Have you even confirmed that win7 will work with the drivers for the hardware?
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Maybe I mis-stated.

THE COMPUTER IS A SPECIAL BUILD WITH CUSTOM MB TO RUN PROPIETARY HARDWARE.

UPGRADE COST FOR A NEW COMPUTER FROM THE SUPPLIER IS....$4,000.00 DOLLARS.

If it were as simple as going to Dell, or hell, build my own I would not have posted.

What is custom about a motherboard and your hardware? And even if there is something specific going on wherein you had some specialized hardware built, P4s have not been used in over a decade, Win XP is well past end of life and any reasonable company upgrades critical hardware every 3-5 years or so give or take.

If the "specialized" hardware is that important to the business, then it probably should be upgraded as well to function with a PC that is not 15 years old. Not knowing what specifically you are using or doing I can't speak to the item or the cost of doing that, but really was someone expecting to get 10+ years on a PC in your company? Even if the cost is 4K because of some specialized situation and hardware, so what as such? You are well past end of life on the old PC and your company should have planned on upgrading the thing anyway...it is well past time. Spend the 4K and do it right as opposed to trying to get another few years out of a P4 antique. My 2 cents.
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What is custom about a motherboard and your hardware? And even if there is something specific going on wherein you had some specialized hardware built, P4s have not been used in over a decade, Win XP is well past end of life and any reasonable company upgrades critical hardware every 3-5 years or so give or take.

If the "specialized" hardware is that important to the business, then it probably should be upgraded as well to function with a PC that is not 15 years old. Not knowing what specifically you are using or doing I can't speak to the item or the cost of doing that, but really was someone expecting to get 10+ years on a PC in your company? Even if the cost is 4K because of some specialized situation and hardware, so what as such? You are well past end of life on the old PC and your company should have planned on upgrading the thing anyway...it is well past time. Spend the 4K and do it right as opposed to trying to get another few years out of a P4 antique. My 2 cents.
Thanks and I agree with everything you said. These computers are only 3 years old when purchased from the vendor and clearly they used very old tech when they built these, probably sitting around collecting dust on their shelves. I'll have to look at the MB closer, it is interfaced with a Sanyo camera with a special framegrabber. No doubt that a large part of the 4K is simply gross markup, not unusual in the Metrology arena when an entirely new metrology system cost is north of 150K.

Regarding if Win 7 will run, I checked with our IT folks and the supplier, yes it will handle it but not at great performance levels. I am already experiencing annoying performance issues running XP SP2 (I think, need to confirm). on the one that has network capability. The other that runs standalone has minimal performance issues, but I need to network with the companies network build to allow additional features to run a new software package that requires networking and Win 7.
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AFAIK, you can't "upgrade" from XP to 7. You must do a clean install. Better save those drivers on a flash drive before starting.
After installing 7, you can go into the advanced settings, and change the amount of virtual memory. You can also set the system to Adjust for best Performance.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks and I agree with everything you said. These computers are only 3 years old when purchased from the vendor and clearly they used very old tech when they built these, probably sitting around collecting dust on their shelves. I'll have to look at the MB closer, it is interfaced with a Sanyo camera with a special framegrabber. No doubt that a large part of the 4K is simply gross markup, not unusual in the Metrology arena when an entirely new metrology system cost is north of 150K.

Regarding if Win 7 will run, I checked with our IT folks and the supplier, yes it will handle it but not at great performance levels. I am already experiencing annoying performance issues running XP SP2 (I think, need to confirm). on the one that has network capability. The other that runs standalone has minimal performance issues, but I need to network with the companies network build to allow additional features to run a new software package that requires networking and Win 7.
Holy crap...that is so shameful...selling you 7-10 year old gear. I would look at the sales contract/receipt to see if they didnt lie to you at the time of sale.
Curious about this sanyo camera connection.
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Holy crap...that is so shameful...selling you 7-10 year old gear. I would look at the sales contract/receipt to see if they didnt lie to you at the time of sale.
Curious about this sanyo camera connection.
Agreed, not happy one bit. I'll update when I get in the office Monday about the camera.



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AFAIK, you can't "upgrade" from XP to 7. You must do a clean install. Better save those drivers on a flash drive before starting.
After installing 7, you can go into the advanced settings, and change the amount of virtual memory. You can also set the system to Adjust for best Performance.
Hope this helps.
Right, that's what I meant. Good tip on the driver question, thanks. Need to check with supplier if any drivers need updates too.
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why upgrade an xp computer

you could get a good desktop for under $500


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you don't mention your software but this is supposed to be popular regular pc

http://support.hexagonmetrology.u...-DMIS-2015
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you don't mention your software but this is supposed to be popular regular pc

http://support.hexagonmetrology.u...-DMIS-2015

It is not so much a software issue as it issue hardware.

Here is the site for the unit we have:
http://www.microvu.com/excel.html

Please note that our system is much older, built in 1999, which is no longer made. It is a larger format platform, one is about 2000 x 1250 x 200 mm, and another which is larger that measures multiple parts in minutes and still serviceable.

The hardware issue is the special framegrabber, a fancy video card installed on the MB, that connects to the camera that measures the parts, basically a CMM.

I had researched stock computers before but could never find anything that would work. I guess I could have found someone to build me a custom one, but never went down that path.

I'll get more info Monday.
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AFAIK, you can't "upgrade" from XP to 7. You must do a clean install. Better save those drivers on a flash drive before starting.
After installing 7, you can go into the advanced settings, and change the amount of virtual memory. You can also set the system to Adjust for best Performance.
Hope this helps.
This is correct - you will have to do a custom install. It doesn't have to be clean (you can install 7 over XP, all your files and settings will end up in a folder called Windows.old) but you will have to reinstall all your software and drivers. There's one workaround if you want to waste a lot of time and have OS disks sitting around. You can upgrade from XP to Vista and then from Vista to 7 - however I'm pretty sure you can't go from a 32 bit system to a 64 bit system that way. Not sure that should matter to you, however. Based on your current applications and driver availability for your old systems, that proprietary stuff might only run on 32 bit systems.

I've seen plenty of p4 systems running 7, sluggishly but adequately. However you would be much better off if you could upgrade the RAM to 4GB. An alternative to boost performance is to use a flash drive with ReadyBoost - it's not the same as additional RAM but it's better than nothing. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-u...=windows-7
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