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To Pull or NOT to Pull? Acoustic Audio HD-SUB12-BLACK Powered 12" Subwoofer Surround Home 800W Sub - Black $139.88 NewEgg Flash

TuckFigerDirect 1,668 524 October 12, 2015 at 03:15 PM More NeweggFlash Deals
OK folks, I just ran across this looking for a JBL sub on sale. I did about an hour's worth of homework trying to find out all I can on this one, but still not sure. So maybe some of the audiophiles can help out here.

Acoustic Audio HD-SUB12-BLACK Powered 12" Subwoofer Surround Home 800W Sub - Black is on the NewEgg Flash deals @ 80% off. on sale at $139.88. It is currently running $203.67 on Amazon, has 9 verified purchase reviews, with a 4 start total rating (link below)

Here are the specs listed...

New HD-SUB12-BLACK Powered 12" Subwoofer
Woofer: 12 Inch Front-Firing Long Throw Driver
Kevlar Cone
Aluminum Voice Coil Former
Parabolic RFL Voice Coil
CEA Cooling Technology
Vented and Extended Pole Piece
Low Carbon Top and Bottom Plate
Rear Slotted Bass Port
Gain Control for Level Adjustment
Line-Level and Speaker-Level Inputs
Speaker-Level Outputs
Built-in Digital Drive High Efficiency Amplifier
Auto-On Signal Sensing Switch
Cabinet Design: Advanced RFL Bass Reflex
Cabinet Material: High-Density MDF
Certified High Definition
400 Watts Nominal RMS to 800 Watts Maximum
Frequency Response: 22Hz-200Hz
Variable Low Pass Frequency Crossover: 40Hz-140Hz
Efficiency / Sensitivity: 99dB at 1 watt/1 meter
Dimensions (H x W x D): 15.9 x 15.2 x 14.7 Inches
Grille is Included
Designed and Engineered in USA (But made by brother-in-law in China??? EEK!)

Here are the specific links....

NewEgg sale link ... http://flash.newegg.com/Product/9...4_10122015

Amazon compare link... http://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Au...B002JFEZU0

I searched the archives here and found a 12" 250-500 watt listed just over a year ago, but that was it.

It does have a 100% satisfaction guarantee and a "Lifetime warranty" .. so good deal at this price??

Come'on audiophiles! Kick in here! Smilie

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Audiophiles wouldn't be buying this...this is white van stuff...vomit
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i always tell her to pull
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Low-end Class D amplification. Doesn't specify SPL @ 22hz or have a frequency response graph even on manufacturer's website. You can be pretty sure this will sound like crap, and not put out anywhere near as much bass as you might be expecting based on the specs.
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Audiophiles wouldn't be buying this...this is white van stuff...vomit
I understand they would not buy anything this level, I'm sure they are buying the $599+ higher end + .. but maybe they can shed some more light on this one. Smilie

Ranges look decent, reviews are 3-5 stars from verified purchasers on Amazon and the price, well that's the kicker. Smilie
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Low-end Class D amplification. Doesn't specify SPL @ 22hz or have a frequency response graph even on manufacturer's website. You can be pretty sure this will sound like crap, and not put out anywhere near as much bass as you might be expecting based on the specs.
Thanks for the input! Smilie

How would this compare with say the JBL ES250 line? That is what I have been looking for to go on sale.
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For $139.88 you might as well get it and make the house rumble like you do with my grandma upstairs.
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I understand they would not buy anything this level, I'm sure they are buying the $599+ higher end + .. but maybe they can shed some more light on this one. http://i.slickdeals.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

Ranges look decent, reviews are 3-5 stars from verified purchasers on Amazon and the price, well that's the kicker. http://i.slickdeals.net/images/smilies/smile.gif
The "price" is just as inflated as the specs. I repeat, don't buy this, it's clearly junk.Mad
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The "price" is just as inflated as the specs. I repeat, don't buy this, it's clearly junk.Mad

Point taken. Smilie So what about the JBL ES250's? Don't they have a class D amp as well? Are they worth $179 or $189 if I can find them at that price? Smilie

Just trying to learn here. Smilie ps...I'm much more looking to play music, not HT.
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Thanks for the input! Smilie

How would this compare with say the JBL ES250 line? That is what I have been looking for to go on sale.
The JBL is likely akin to Polk and other subwoofers in that price range... they tend to be boomy and muddy and not as highly powered as they advertise. You'll notice the JBL, like this Acoustic Audio sub you posted, does not list SPL in their frequency response rating. The JBL just says "25-150hz" and that's it. To be able to judge how a subwoofer will perform, in part you need to know how much sound it puts out at those lower frequencies, which is where a lot of the movie-watching experience comes from.

To give you an idea, here's a frequency response graph for a higher quality subwoofer: http://www.hsuresearch.com/produc...F-2-FR.jpg

You can see that at 25hz it produces ~3dB less than it does throughout the rest of the graph. This means down to 25hz you'll get good bass output, and it will then diminish quickly in output; dB is a logarithmic scale, so if you're at -10dB you've lost 10x the power. The JBL, for all you know, may be -10dB at 25hz, and -5dB at 30hz, meaning it effectively does not reach very far down. It could be even worse, given that they don't want to publish the specs. Good subwoofers from companies like SVS and HSU will tend to reach down to 15-20hz at only -3dB.

I'd save up more money until you can get something in the $300-500 range to get something you'll really be happy with, unless you just like boomy car-audio style bass.
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The JBL is likely akin to Polk and other subwoofers in that price range... they tend to be boomy and muddy and not as highly powered as they advertise. You'll notice the JBL, like this Acoustic Audio sub you posted, does not list SPL in their frequency response rating. The JBL just says "25-150hz" and that's it. To be able to judge how a subwoofer will perform, in part you need to know how much sound it puts out at those lower frequencies, which is where a lot of the movie-watching experience comes from.

To give you an idea, here's a frequency response graph for a higher quality subwoofer: http://www.hsuresearch.com/produc...F-2-FR.jpg

You can see that at 25hz it produces ~3dB less than it does throughout the rest of the graph. This means down to 25hz you'll get good bass output, and it will then diminish quickly in output; dB is a logarithmic scale, so if you're at -10dB you've lost 10x the power. The JBL, for all you know, may be -10dB at 25hz, and -5dB at 30hz, meaning it effectively does not reach very far down. It could be even worse, given that they don't want to publish the specs. Good subwoofers from companies like SVS and HSU will tend to reach down to 15-20hz at only -3dB.

I'd save up more money until you can get something in the $300-500 range to get something you'll really be happy with, unless you just like boomy car-audio style bass.
Thanks for that great info .. and repped! Smilie

I'm just looking for something of decent quality for now, until I get my house built (probably 3 years out to finish). I bought a ton of the lower ends of the JBL's just to get me by until I have a place for the "good stuff". I have 6 JBL ES80's I picked up on sale at $99 each, have the Loft 20's centers ($34), Loft 40's ($34 pair) and Loft 30's ($28 pair) for presence speakers. I have a couple of the Yamaha 10" subs still in the box, got those free using SYWR points over the last holiday season. But was wanting to round out the JBL's I have now with a couple of decent 12" subs. JBL also had a sale on recertified ES90's (has the 8" speakers) for $99 each but missed that sale by a couple of days back around May.

Hoping to find good enough deals to get me by, then when time to sell them, I have a decent chance of getting at least most of what I paid for these. Smilie
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Thanks for that great info .. and repped! http://i.slickdeals.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

I'm just looking for something of decent quality for now, until I get my house built (probably 3 years out to finish). I bought a ton of the lower ends of the JBL's just to get me by until I have a place for the "good stuff". I have 6 JBL ES80's I picked up on sale at $99 each, have the Loft 20's centers ($34), Loft 40's ($34 pair) and Loft 30's ($28 pair) for presence speakers. I have a couple of the Yamaha 10" subs still in the box, got those free using SYWR points over the last holiday season. But was wanting to round out the JBL's I have now with a couple of decent 12" subs. JBL also had a sale on recertified ES90's (has the 8" speakers) for $99 each but missed that sale by a couple of days back around May.

Hoping to find good enough deals to get me by, then when time to sell them, I have a decent chance of getting at least most of what I paid for these. http://i.slickdeals.net/images/smilies/smile.gif
But if you buy a high quality sub like the HSU or SVS (or others, you don't have to go this high end) you won't need to replace it as it will suffice for your needs now and in the future. Often times people think they are getting a deal and saving money by buying and constantly replacing, but in reality it's costing you more... As stated before, just save and get a good sub, it's worth it. As the adage goes, you get what, well you know the rest...
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But if you buy a high quality sub like the HSU or SVS (or others, you don't have to go this high end) you won't need to replace it as it will suffice for your needs now and in the future. Often times people think they are getting a deal and saving money by buying and constantly replacing, but in reality it's costing you more... As stated before, just save and get a good sub, it's worth it. As the adage goes, you get what, well you know the rest...
I understand and agree with that. However, when you have to live in the same place you are building, things can get messed up (scratched, dented, broken completely) so I am in a unique style situation. Smilie If one of my $99 ES80's gets messed up no big deal. If my $1,500 pair of mains gets messed up, I'm not a happy camper. LMAO

The best set of speakers I ever owned, they don't make anymore. They were called Eosones and I had bought the display set from Best Buy probably about 20 years ago now, I think I paid like $800 for the entire set.. They were like a $3,500 setup (5:1 setup) and the mains, I think they were 1,000's series were freakin incredible. Smilie
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