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Offline Windows 10 Upgrade vs Online

LiquidRetro 12,661 4,824 October 14, 2015 at 06:38 AM
I have heard a little about this but can't find any distinct info on it so I thought I would ask what everyone's experiences are. Tomorrow I am upgrading a neighbors 2 systems to windows 10 at their request. I have prepared 2 USB flash drives with the upgrade using the microsoft tool to save time.

Now the question is I have heard some people say do the upgrade offline. Reason being is it's faster, and you don't have to use the microsoft account. If you don't log in you don't have the sync which some people like or dislike. I really can't find much about this other than the episode of Security Now they talked about it briefly. I want to know the pro's and cons before i venture down that road with it.

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I upgraded offline the first time. But, Windows was not activated. I couldn't get it to activate. If you don't have a key for Windows 10, pretty sure you need to do it online.

There is a future build of Win10 coming that will allow fresh installs with Windows 7/8/8.1 keys.
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I upgraded offline the first time. But, Windows was not activated. I couldn't get it to activate. If you don't have a key for Windows 10, pretty sure you need to do it online.

There is a future build of Win10 coming that will allow fresh installs with Windows 7/8/8.1 keys.
Hmm, Ya that build just got pushed to the fast ring, I have it on my laptop.
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I think you need to update online, use the tool and select 'upgrade my pc now' or use the little notification on the bottom right of your pc. Otherwise I believe it will ask you for a key which you don't have. I ran into this issue once and didn't really look into it, just started upgrading online.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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I think you need to update online, use the tool and select 'upgrade my pc now' or use the little notification on the bottom right of your pc. Otherwise I believe it will ask you for a key which you don't have. I ran into this issue once and didn't really look into it, just started upgrading online.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
I know you can use the install via usb method and have the PC online and it will work. I think doing it offline it will install and activate later. The biggest difference seems to be if you have to use a microsoft account or not. I will have to see what these people want to do.
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My experience is a little fuzzy, having done about 20 upgrades now. No need to sign into a Microsoft account online or offline. I started out downloading and making a USB stick for both 32 and 64 bit upgrades, and used that without issue for 3 upgrades. On my fourth attempt it asked for a key, first time I'd seen that. I chalked it up to odd, downloaded fresh for that upgrade, and tried my USB stick again next time. Again it asked for a key. So i formatted the stick, downloaded the upgrade files again, and it worked for another 3 upgrades before asking me for a key. Bah. I just gave up on the convenience of the USB install and have done each one in real time since.
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If your goal is to install it faster, then upgrade it offline. You still need key verification from microsoft via online. So connect it online. Then you can turn it to offline through their setting options.
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I know you can use the install via usb method and have the PC online and it will work. I think doing it offline it will install and activate later. The biggest difference seems to be if you have to use a microsoft account or not. I will have to see what these people want to do.
I havent needed a microsoft account to upgrade... done probably 10 pcs so far.
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I havent needed a microsoft account to upgrade... done probably 10 pcs so far.
Hmm there must be a skip then. I guess we will wait and see.
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Hmm there must be a skip then. I guess we will wait and see.
I am 100% certain you can simply upgrade online without the need for a MS account. Just did one earlier today.
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don't forget you need windows key


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I upgrade offline whenever possible with any OS if I am in a hurry, often they don't display what they are downloading, how much, how long it will take. Old habit from before I got my higher capped cellular Internet. Linux distros it sits there 20-30 minutes on that stage refreshing repositories sometimes and getting the updates, rather wait until after install so I can set faster repositories and see what it's doing. I've upgraded a few to 10 for family and neighbors, usually bring systems here, because everybody has a 10GB monthly cap, so I can get them up to date without using theirs. I did try doing online upgrade several times just to see what it did, every single time on multiple machines, it crashed the installer, so I had to do offline anyway. I am guessing it was not getting along with my Internet, maybe too slow? Didn't look at any logs, no issue otherwise, iso was good. Anyway, offline worked with no issues, got in, set up accounts after for anyone that wanted/had one, installed Spybot Anti-Beacon, turned off/delayed any updates and online backup, etc. I had no issues with activation.
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I upgraded offline the first time. But, Windows was not activated. I couldn't get it to activate. If you don't have a key for Windows 10, pretty sure you need to do it online.

There is a future build of Win10 coming that will allow fresh installs with Windows 7/8/8.1 keys.
I had a similar experience (which wound up being very frustrating for me). I was trying to do a fresh install of W10 on my PC that was running W7. However, I wanted to do that fresh install on a new drive (new SSD instead of the old HDD). I couldn't activate it, so I called MS and they said I have to pay $119 to do it and that they couldn't just transfer my old W7 key over to W10 to activate it. I wound up just doing a fresh install of W7 on the SSD. Now I'm getting the prompt to upgrade it to W10, which I assume will work, but I'll stay w/ W7 a bit longer until the 1-year expiration date approaches next summer.
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I had a similar experience (which wound up being very frustrating for me). I was trying to do a fresh install of W10 on my PC that was running W7. However, I wanted to do that fresh install on a new drive (new SSD instead of the old HDD). I couldn't activate it, so I called MS and they said I have to pay $119 to do it and that they couldn't just transfer my old W7 key over to W10 to activate it. I wound up just doing a fresh install of W7 on the SSD. Now I'm getting the prompt to upgrade it to W10, which I assume will work, but I'll stay w/ W7 a bit longer until the 1-year expiration date approaches next summer.
See I was talking something else and a lot of people interpret as you. I know clean fresh installs work differently. (New build of windows 10 in the fast ring this week fixes your issues on a clean install). I am doing and upgrade and just was wondering about the online vs offline method. For these people most likely I will be doing an online. Just doing it off usb since it will be much faster than downloading the 3gb worth of files twice.
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See I was talking something else and a lot of people interpret as you. I know clean fresh installs work differently. (New build of windows 10 in the fast ring this week fixes your issues on a clean install). I am doing and upgrade and just was wondering about the online vs offline method. For these people most likely I will be doing an online. Just doing it off usb since it will be much faster than downloading the 3gb worth of files twice.
Are you saying that a fix due out this week will allow a Win 10 clean install without Win 7 upgrade first? If so then the download of Win 10 I have from a few months ago is no longer a good and I need the new download...right?
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