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baby monitor

ElDorito 7,478 1,374 October 25, 2015 at 07:59 AM
Looking for a baby monitor that has the following features:

2 way communication
can swivel
night vision


I've read online that a security camera may be the better option... not sure how we feel or if we need video recording.... Wanted to get suggestions from you guys.. Not looking to pay a monthly fee .. just whatever the camera costs.. Thanks.

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Motorola baby monitor. We use one of these and they work great. The security camera usage such as Foscams (which are widely used for this) have suffered a couple hacking vulnerabilities where strangers get access to your camera and can control it. They have been patched but most people get those for internet-facing port forwarding. Just something to remember if you go that route.

http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-MB...by+monitor

These are typically widely used. They also have a good used collection for sale on eBay or other venues such as craigslist. I would recommend the Motorola cameras.
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Motorola baby monitor. We use one of these and they work great. The security camera usage such as Foscams (which are widely used for this) have suffered a couple hacking vulnerabilities where strangers get access to your camera and can control it. They have been patched but most people get those for internet-facing port forwarding. Just something to remember if you go that route.

http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-MB...by+monitor

These are typically widely used. They also have a good used collection for sale on eBay or other venues such as craigslist. I would recommend the Motorola cameras.

all that hacking was essentially people not changing the default pw on the cam. Sorry but if you are THAT stupid, you deserve to be hacked and learn a lesson.

I have Foscam cameras in both DD's rooms but more to check on them when away. In younger DD's room we have the Foscam baby cam - not an IP cam, but a genuine baby cam:

http://foscam.us/video-baby-monit...5-lcd.html

MUCH better than the old Summer cam I had. Note it's NOT an IPCAM meaning you won't be able to access it outside the monitor.
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all that hacking was essentially people not changing the default pw on the cam. Sorry but if you are THAT stupid, you deserve to be hacked and learn a lesson.

I have Foscam cameras in both DD's rooms but more to check on them when away. In younger DD's room we have the Foscam baby cam - not an IP cam, but a genuine baby cam:

http://foscam.us/video-baby-monit...5-lcd.html [foscam.us]

MUCH better than the old Summer cam I had. Note it's NOT an IPCAM meaning you won't be able to access it outside the monitor.
Not true. There were several known vulnerabilities in Foscam cameras by default. Default password is a very common way to get in and the most common culprit but they had others. I don't remember specifically the vulnerability but I was able to access mine without authentication remotely. There has since been firmware updates that should have issues addressed but anyone should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they are confident in the security of the device.

I still recommend the Motorola baby cam. Everyone may use whatever they choose.
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Not true. There were several known vulnerabilities in Foscam cameras by default. Default password is a very common way to get in and the most common culprit but they had others. I don't remember specifically the vulnerability but I was able to access mine without authentication remotely. There has since been firmware updates that should have issues addressed but anyone should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they are confident in the security of the device.

I still recommend the Motorola baby cam. Everyone may use whatever they choose.
The vulnerabilities are only present if you port forward the camera. If you simply use in locally or use VPN its a non issue. That said, foscam is crap...there are much better options out there like the hikvision/laview cubes with the 2.8mm wide lens (not need for gimmicky pan tilt)...
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The vulnerabilities are only present if you port forward the camera. If you simply use in locally or use VPN its a non issue. That said, foscam is crap...there are much better options out there like the hikvision/laview cubes with the 2.8mm wide lens...
Which I also pointed out in my post. Get a baby cam that does a baby cam job. You will want a monitor instead of using a phone or computer to monitor a child.
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Which I also pointed out in my post. Get a baby cam that does a baby cam job. You will want a monitor instead of using a phone or computer to monitor a child.
The motorola kit is overpriced garbage, as evidenced by the 3 star amazon reviews. Low resolution, narrow field of view wont even cover a large room. Why should it get any preference simply because they put "baby monitor" in the name. Makes no sense...

You can buy a 1080p camera and an amazon 7" tablet for less than that kit. Need another monitor? But another fire tablet for 50 bux. Want a small carry around monitor, use an old cell phone or buy one for 10 dollars.
The convenience of being able to use your cell phone to quickly check up on the child should not be overlooked. Why would you want to carry that monitor around the house?
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The motorola kit is overpriced garbage, as evidenced by the 3 star amazon reviews. Low resolution, narrow field of view wont even cover a large room. Why should it get any preference simply because they put "baby monitor" in the name. Makes no sense...

You can buy a 1080p camera and an amazon 7" tablet for less than that kit. Need another monitor? But another fire tablet for 50 bux. Want a small carry around monitor, use an old cell phone or buy one for 10 dollars.
The convenience of being able to use your cell phone to quickly check up on the child should not be overlooked. Why would you want to carry that monitor around the house?
Works great for me. I see my children clearly at night. Not everyone wants a tablet solution for a baby monitor -- those often don't work that well. I've tried that with my fire tablet. The foscam and tablet solutions are just not as convenient. I don't think your solution suits most people.

I've tried most of the solutions personally and the Motorola was the best experience. The point of a baby monitor is an always on listening device, a tablet or cell phone work very poorly for this is most but not all situations. I'm guessing you don't have kids at the moment.

Pick a brand you trust or go demo a unit. Remember baby monitoring isn't about HD video of your kids at night -- it is to monitor your kids. I believe that a purposed unit is better than an app on a smartphone or tablet from my experience with real kids in real action. Pick what works for you. Not everyone is the same. There are a zillion brands out there.

We don't have to agree. I'm not trying to sway you at all.
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Works great for me. I see my children clearly at night. Not everyone wants a tablet solution for a baby monitor -- those often don't work that well. I've tried that with my fire tablet. The foscam and tablet solutions are just not as convenient. I don't think your solution suits most people.

I've tried most of the solutions personally and the Motorola was the best experience. The point of a baby monitor is an always on listening device, a tablet or cell phone work very poorly for this is most but not all situations. I'm guessing you don't have kids at the moment.

Pick a brand you trust or go demo a unit. Remember baby monitoring isn't about HD video of your kids at night -- it is to monitor your kids. I believe that a purposed unit is better than an app on a smartphone or tablet from my experience with real kids in real action. Pick what works for you. Not everyone is the same. There are a zillion brands out there.

We don't have to agree. I'm not trying to sway you at all.
Folks use baby monitors for rooms other than bedrooms...the narrow field of view means you need to pan tilt all the time if they are playing in a larger room....Im guessing you never used a quality tablet with a quality camera...they work just fine transmitting audio....The other advantages like being able to choose screen size and using a cell phone add to the benefit..Finally, 48% of the motorola unit reviews are one and two stars (34% 1 star)..that alone makes it a no go....If op wants a designated baby monitor he should look for something with better reviews.
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Folks use baby monitors for rooms other than bedrooms...the narrow field of view means you need to pan tilt all the time if they are playing in a larger room....Im guessing you never used a quality tablet with a quality camera...they work just fine transmitting audio....The other advantages like being able to choose screen size and using a cell phone add to the benefit..Finally, 48% of the motorola unit reviews are one and two stars (34% 1 star)..that alone makes it a no go....If op wants a designated baby monitor he should look for something with better reviews.
iPad and Fire tablets with Axis, Ubiquiti, and Foscam cameras tested here. They make great cameras for viewing stuff but not monitoring children on a normal basis.

Don't put all your eggs into the Amazon review basket. That's an entirely different debate but not one I'd build my foundation on. Again, I said it can be any brand that one desires. Don't hold so tightly to one product.

To each their own. A tablet and IP cam are fantastic for viewing areas but I fail to see the generally-applied usefulness for baby monitoring applied across many people's tech abilities. I stand by that assertion. Purpose-built baby monitoring exists for a reason.
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It's hard to beat the simplicity of an all in one solution that includes a dedicated viewer. Is the image quality amazing? No, but it's good enough to tell if the baby is awake/asleep/ok. Encryption that may be used on this type of baby monitor is pretty weak, but more specialized tools, knowledge, and proximity are all required to 'hack' one of these.

The biggest advantages of a network enabled camera are: It's easier to find a use for it once you no longer need a baby monitor and you can check it with more devices or remotely (preferably through a vpn). The software apps for this can leave a bit to be desired. Avoid foscam. If you go this route, you may want a set of dedicated audio only baby monitors.
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Looking for a baby monitor that has the following features:

2 way communication
can swivel
night vision


I've read online that a security camera may be the better option... not sure how we feel or if we need video recording.... Wanted to get suggestions from you guys.. Not looking to pay a monthly fee .. just whatever the camera costs.. Thanks.
I use this baby monitor from Summer Infant: http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Infa...by+monitor

It doesn't swivel remotely, but other than that fits your criteria, and it works great. Video is sometimes good enough to see my kid breathing, other times not quite. It is good enough to tell if she's moving her arm, standing up in the crib, or if the pacifier is out of reach.

I was going to go with a Foscam IP camera, but it got zapped by lightning before we needed it. I also realized that an IP camera would not be the easiest when traveling as I'd have to add it to the network at my destination. The issue eekthecat mentioned about using a tablet or phone as the monitor was a concern, but I never was able to actually try it out.
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I use this baby monitor from Summer Infant: http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Infa...by+monitor

It doesn't swivel remotely, but other than that fits your criteria, and it works great. Video is sometimes good enough to see my kid breathing, other times not quite. It is good enough to tell if she's moving her arm, standing up in the crib, or if the pacifier is out of reach.

I was going to go with a Foscam IP camera, but it got zapped by lightning before we needed it. I also realized that an IP camera would not be the easiest when traveling as I'd have to add it to the network at my destination. The issue eekthecat mentioned about using a tablet or phone as the monitor was a concern, but I never was able to actually try it out.

that's the cam that the screen died on me. It has horizontal lines that just got worse and worse. That's also when I bought the foscam about 3 years ago (the baby monitor that is)
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Not true. There were several known vulnerabilities in Foscam cameras by default. Default password is a very common way to get in and the most common culprit but they had others. I don't remember specifically the vulnerability but I was able to access mine without authentication remotely. There has since been firmware updates that should have issues addressed but anyone should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they are confident in the security of the device.

I still recommend the Motorola baby cam. Everyone may use whatever they choose.
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The vulnerabilities are only present if you port forward the camera. If you simply use in locally or use VPN its a non issue. That said, foscam is crap...there are much better options out there like the hikvision/laview cubes with the 2.8mm wide lens (not need for gimmicky pan tilt)...

Please elaborate.... anything I can find only points to people leaving the un and pw default values. I also see an issue if you use foscam's DDNS - there may be a way to scan their DDNS service and get a list of current DDNS domains - that would give a hacker a list of cams to target using the default un and pw.
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Please elaborate.... anything I can find only points to people leaving the un and pw default values. I also see an issue if you use foscam's DDNS - there may be a way to scan their DDNS service and get a list of current DDNS domains - that would give a hacker a list of cams to target using the default un and pw.
No password required... http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/0...-monitors/
http://www.darkreading.com/vulner...id/1109560

Foscam is a prime example of CCJ (Cheap Chinese Junk). There have been some other major foscam security issues. I'm not sure there are any known vulnerabilities in current firmware, but they don't have the best track record. VPNs are the best option for security.
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