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Powrful - feature rich laptops - Can we make a list of them?

blombardo 215 48 November 23, 2015 at 12:57 PM
In the past three years Laptop owners have been having their features stripped away in so many unacceptable ways... The list goes on and on and on... Every possible feature that exists on these machines have been cheapened, shrunk down and/or removed.

Most computers now are really simple machines that are glorified Netbooks - good for streaming web content only... a few can play a game or two on low settings...

Where are the powerhouse machines? The big - thick - fat - heavy beastly things that sound like an big airliner taking off on the runway... Does anyone know - of any company still making such 'Desktop replacement' laptops anymore?

I'll start the ball off with ONE that I found -- this company has -just about every possible feature available on their machines... (except touch screen... - go figure)

You want four hard drives in it? - no problem... you want two real - giant - MXM style replaceable graphics cards in it? - no problem...

X8 17.3 inch - cheapest config=$1200 up to 4,000
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configu...253,0%29ec


This company manufacturers a portable Laptop / Server that costs around $30,000.00 -- a laptop that can run an entire cities infrastructure in a disaster recovery situation...

Their machines literally have - everything - except for Touch screen... that burns me.. i want a machine like this - WITH touch..

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If you dont understand why I'm complaining about the downfall of laptops... here are some reasons that laptops of today - are junk compared to previous generations...
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Now when you buy a laptop you:

Can't watch a blu ray - no internal optical... (if there is one - its going to be a dvd)

-Can't swap your battery (they are imbedding them- worst idea ever for any device - when you have to fix it - it will likely be short circuited and ruined by the tech trying to disassemble it due to there being live power on the thing until its half taken apart)

-No real buttons on the touchpad (touchpads are bad enough... take away the real buttons? - now you REALLY need an external mouse to play a game...) - at least -some-of the business class machines still offer 4 physical buttons... not many consumer grade laptops offer them - and those that do tend to have really low quality springs that are hard to click.

-Gaming machines - GONE are the truly Dedicated graphics cards... Now - at best - you get a 'co processor' - Integrated intel Graphics (CRAPhics) - the intel is forced active - the co processor by Nvidia or ATI has to run physically through the intel chip - bottlenecked down to a slower speed with weaker performance - and fewer features. No way to disable the intel - because the intel is physically hardware connected to the hdmi output...

-Poor resolution - Gone are the 1920x1200 screens - market is still flooded with 13x7 - if you pay an arm and a leg you may find 1080p- a handful of models have higher resolution... but any of those reaching over 1080 will NOT be good for gaming - none of them have solid gaming graphics cards..

-Bad glossy touch screens - nobody has a Matte finish touch screen... a few (over priced) machines offer 'anti glare' touch - not even close... it still reflects everything...

-Low brightness - try to use any of these outside in the sun... good luck seeing anything; at least the Macs tend to have higher brightness settings... though even those arent great in the sun.

Too few ports - There should be at least 4 usb's - LAN - and (god forbid) Expresscard 2.0 slots for expansions - and docking station ports for full sized docking (not usb port replicators with limited functionality)

Poor sound - one headphone jack (should be three - for 5.1 sound output ) -- No optical outs - sub par speaker and amp systems (even though many have fancy names... they all sound fairly bad)

It's been a long time since I saw any truly impressive laptops...

The older Toshiba qosmios with 3d screens were nice in their day (discontinued and outdated now)

The older HP HDX series was awesome in their day (out dated)

The older - well .. everything older was better...

Unless you want 'skinny - light - sleek / fancy looking and long battery life' -- This thread is NOT for those type of people...

This thread is for the power users - who want to be able to run -- any - program on their laptop... the people who want one powerful machine that can do it all... a Laptop with the best - of every possible feature ever invented - packed into one machine...

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Quote from blombardo View Post :
This thread is for the power users - who want to be able to run -- any - program on their laptop... the people who want one powerful machine that can do it all... a Laptop with the best - of every possible feature ever invented - packed into one machine...
You do realize there are the Lenovo Thinkpad T and W series right? I know the frustration but it's not like you can't still buy a good machine.

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-No real buttons on the touchpad (touchpads are bad enough... take away the real buttons? - now you REALLY need an external mouse to play a game...) - at least -some-of the business class machines still offer 4 physical buttons... not many consumer grade laptops offer them - and those that do tend to have really low quality springs that are hard to click.
Wooooooooord. Seriously, I see people using their sleek looking laptops and kind of laugh as they fumble and move their wrists/hands all over the place. Have fun with that carpel tunnel later on!

I have actually been asked on an air plane to not make so much noise with my laptop. I guess I was typing too fast and being too efficient with my business grade laptop Big Grin
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Thanks...

The Thinkpad T uses intel graphics... I would never use it even if it was free...

The Thinkpad W series has a few options -- but they use Quadro based graphics - for business / cad/ engineers... I want the consumer grade graphics that is more geared for gaming (business cards will perform 30% worse at gaming -- just as a gaming graphics card would perform horribly if you tried to run Business programs on it)

Plus they are all 15.6 inch machines - 1 hard drive slot, (a skinny one likey= not a full size 12mm drive) and some dont even offer optical drives...

The thinkpad Y series - are skinny little things that have no real power behind them... no buttons - no optical drives - one 6mm slot for a super skinny storag drive...

I'm looking for the full size- Desktop Replacement - MultiMedia Gaming style laptops...

The big fat things you would never take on an airplane because

1 they weigh ten pounds
2 they are giant and would take up the entire seat; if you plugged anything into the side you'd be sticking out in the aisle or into the seat beside you...
3 their battery will only last an hour because of how much power the graphics cards use...

Thanks for the suggestion though...
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Ever think about -- just how many feature are there for a laptop...? Here is an - incomplete - list...

----------=====Required Specs ranked by importance:=====----------

1: 17.3"+ screen (sick of these little 15.6" things- I'd rather have big machines and tiny machines no more middle of the roads)
2: AMD a8 or a10 (Possibly a brand new a6 if its a quad core comparable to a 3 year old a8) - I dispise intel integrated graphics - hate them with a passion and never -ever -ever want any machine with them inside it. They are a great product for someone else and if Intel ever decides to allow us to DISABLE them I may consider buying one again
3: 1080p or 1920 x1200 screen -or 3200x1800 - TOUCH screen - Definately prefer Matte with a high gamut - ips is only worth an extra 20 bucks or so to me - not needed as I have an eyefinity setup
4: Internal optical drive - prefer bluray if its only an extra 30 bucks - but honestly just need dvd - can add it myself later easily enough
5 Keyboard backlit -full 10 key support, prefer a dimable backlite but not required - dont need fancy colors but would pay a few bucks extra for it.
6: Real physical buttons on the smooth (non sand paper) touchpad - 4 or More buttons = happier - built in scroll wheel - exstatic (otherwise I need an external mouse to click anything when not in windows - plus I hate accidently clicking something with a buttonless touchpad when i put my hands on the pad)
7: Displayport / HDMI (I use VGA and DVI sometimes - even svideo and rca sometimes (but I have a converter box I can use) - displayport covers both - if no displayport then I must have a docking station with 1 or 2 displayports) = Must be able to run Eyefinity @ 1080p
8: OS support -I primarily run windows 7 64bit - but also NEED to run xp32bit- and random other OS's and proprietary software that nobody has ever heard of. I am not fond of he new UEFI systems as the 'Bios emulators' I have experienced simply do not work with antiquated software -
9: four to six USB ports - the more the better. I always use 3 sometimes 4 - occasionally I can fill 6. USB 3.0 is a must
10 Two hard drive bays - I use a solid state for the OS and a 1.5tb for additional storage. Having room to fit a 10-16mm (2tb) drive is a plus. Not needing proprietary connectors is an even bigger plus -No interest in machines that use non standard hard drives
11: Good heat transfer - when under stress no higher than 50c / 130F = I don't want a cooling pad to be needed - Machine should function in the summer in the sunlight with no Air Conditioning - at least for a reasonable amount of time.
12: Webcam - needed for meetings - any will work fine.
13: Removable battery

Specs I want if the price is right- but can do without if its too much:
1: 20" screen (hard to find - I don't think anyone makes them at the moment)
2: Dedicated graphics - aka crossfire mode - The AMD apu provides a decent enough performance but I would like the added power of dedicated graphics and Eyefinity support with 1gb of ddr5 RAM or more
3:AC wireless - I paid extra to have a nice fast home network with a giant video storage hub...
4: ExpressCard 2.0 (same speed as USB 3.0) 5gbps
5: Sound: 3 audio jacks with 5.1 surround support (or at least 2 headphone jacks and 1 mic input) -or optical / midi out - for using DJ software (or give me an expresscard so I can use my old cards for the occasional party) volume of 85+db (x205 sli was the best sound ever)
6: Bios with all options unlocked - and NO WHITE LIST (able to install any cards) - change voltages, under or overclock things
7: internal bluetooth (3 bucks for one taking up an external usb port)
8 internal Modem (for use when high speed isnt available (can use a usb modem if I have to)
9: Docking station support (I prefer one with TWO desktop pcix16 expansion slots - expresscard - optical drive - multiple displayports etc - can use USB if no proprietary version is available)
10: mPCIe (used for wifi - would like a spare for hard drive/ram/graphics card etc)

Specs I dont care about but can be impressed by.
1: internal 3g / 4g sim card
2: infrared connetivity
3: 1399 connector
4: firewire
5: integrated Subwoofer
6: glowing light effects on the outer case
7: Fingerprint reader
8: Built in Remote control for media center (could use bluetooth and phones with current tech)


The list could go on and on...


Nobody on the planet makes a computer that I would consider to be perfect... Eurocom makes a very close - respectable machine... Maybe soon consumers will be able to piece together a machine of their own desires... sure would be nice...
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