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A little Black Friday help requested. (router & adapters)

Anonymouse 14,381 1,201 November 24, 2015 at 04:26 PM
Anonymous once wrote a tutorial for router selection, (among others), for this tech-support forum but it is sadly outdated.
Since then the 'Mouse has really slacked off on up-to-date-ness on hardware & rather than spend a butt-load of time catching up, is asking the support nerds for a little help with buying a BLACK FRIDAY new N-class router and PCI-e adapter for the desktop.
(WIN7 Ultimate on an AMD X6400 dual core.)

Currently I am limited by a NETGEAR 108 Mbps Super-G router feeding an Airtek 54 Mbps g-class adapter card located 10' from the router.
(The primary does have a PCI port available but I'd prefer to stick with the current PCI-e configuration on it.)
It's actual throughput is somewhere in the 15 Mbps-18 Mbps range, at the best of times, at 10'.

The other box can get as high as an actual 22 Mbps, (located right next to the router using a NETGEAR 108 Super-G PCI adapter).

Additionally we have a couple of lappys that get pretty miserable throughput in the back part of the house about 45' & 70' away, respectively.
It would be nice to get those up to even actual 10 Mbps throughput speeds rather than the 2 Mbps-4 Mbps they currently get, configured to use 54 Mbps g-band signal.
One lappy can use an Express card to get maybe better throughput, but the other one doesn't have an external port for one and would have to be swapped out internally.
Fortunately that one already has 300 Mbps N-band capability in the internal Wi-Fi adapter.

I figure switching to N-band would help the lappys out significantly, even if they have to still use the g-band, just because the N-band routers seem to have better penetration and distance than the b / g-band routers - though this Super-G router has a pretty strong signal itself.
Could be wrong about that though.

Currently a Charter Spectrum subscriber on promised 60 Mbps cable internet that delivers almost 69 Mbps on a cat-5 LAN connection and PROBABLY has actual 100 Mbps speed hidden behind the docsis 3 modem software Charter uses to enable 60 Mbps service here.
The reason I know they have 100 Mbps speed available is because I can currently get 69 Mbps on the cat-5 LAN cable, which is the LEGALLY mandated 70% of offered 100 Mbps service they MUST provide by federal regulation.
They offer upgrades to 100 Mbps service for a higher price but 60 Mbps is now standard for all users here.

In order to not only get current and maximize the full Wi-Fi potential of the 69 Mbps available on cat-5 LAN, 'Mouse would like to be at least somewhat "future-proofed" in case they decide to jack up the available speeds to 150 Mbps or even the 250 Mbps they are selling to corporate clients already.

Ergo: What I'm asking the shop for, is assistance and recommendations on which BLACK FRIDAY N-class router to buy Thursday.
It would be greatly appreciated if whomever does post an advisory give 2 options.

1.) Full Wi-Fi capability to get all 69 Mbps at the lowest BLACK FRIDAY price.
2.) Least expensive upgrade beyond what is currently needed to get the full 69 Mbps, to make sure I can get a full 100 Mbps - should it become standard fare for home service soon.

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Never been a fan of the "Cheapest" in Wireless routers. Budget wireless routers almost always perform like a budget wireless router and don't have the best longevity. Go mid or high range since you mentioned future proofing yourself. If your spending now and want to future proof go with a dual band AC router for probably just a little more money. Your older clients can run on the 2.4ghz band and newer clients can run on the 5ghz. No reason to limit to N, you can always do that with software if you must.
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Never been a fan of the "Cheapest" in Wireless routers. Budget wireless routers almost always perform like a budget wireless router and don't have the best longevity. Go mid or high range since you mentioned future proofing yourself. If your spending now and want to future proof go with a dual band AC router for probably just a little more money. Your older clients can run on the 2.4ghz band and newer clients can run on the 5ghz. No reason to limit to N, you can always do that with software if you must.
Thank you for your input LiquidRetro.
Doesn't help one iota however.

I am not a fan of "cheap" but that's a relative word in routers, considering I have several that cost me less than $30, (after rebate), several years ago when g-band was the best available.

BLACK FRIDAY deals are running from about $40 to over $200, and frankly, I just don't have the wherewithall to KNOW which one I should purchase Thursday.
Ergo, the reason for posting this request with SPECIFIC answer requirements.

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You get what you pay for to an extent. I'd say you may as well go ac, definitely get gigabit lan and dual band. If you limit yourself to an N router, don't do anything less than N300, preferably N600, you may not always get those speeds but MIMO routers will yield better performance.

Don't expect amazing black friday deals, the best products are rarely discounted. For example there was an asus n150 router for $5 AR last year, but it's range isn't very good it has a finicky power jack, and crappy throughput even between its lan ports. It works as a range extender in a pinch or to connect a piece of wired equipment, but it's barely worth the $5 it cost me, some of my old 802.11g routers actually outperform this router.

This is one of the better lists ranking / comparing routers:
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/to...outer/view
you can switch between lists of different speed routers

The TP-Link Archer C5 or C7 are often among the cheapest of the better performing routers. I always recommend reading the manual before you buy.

Check price history on amazon using a price tracker like camel^3 to get a sense of if it's actually a good deal
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Okay, let's see if I can make my request a little more comprehensible.
(Am I really being THAT obtuse?)

A.) I don't shiv-a-git what GENERAL information you have to offer. I can read up on that for myself. In fact, I already know much of it, just not ENOUGH to make an informed decision on THIS purchase on Thursday.
Yes, I understand that AC is better than N-band, but if N-band will get me what I desire, then it is a viable recommendation. If N-band cannot deliver ACTUAL 69 Mbps throughput, then it is not.

B.) "Cheap" is relative, i.e. a $249 Netgear x6 R8000 AC3200 DD-WRT is "cheap" at $149 - compared to say, a $42 Netgear WNR3500L v2 Tomato at $25 (refurbished).

C.) This is the important one, SO PAY ATTENTION !!!
Which BLACK FRIDAY router deal is the least expensive one but which will still fit the criteria I listed.

1.) Full ACTUAL 69 Mbps throughput on listed 60 Mbps but which is probably really 100 Mbps service.
2.) "Future-proofed" for an additional 50 Mbps increase in service, to 150 Mbps, with delivery of at least 90 Mbps ACTUAL throughput possible through the router to the desktop - as a, (probably more expensive), ALTERNATIVE to #1.

2 different recommendations, but ONLY ACTUAL available BLACK FRIDAY deals are viable answers.
Example: Asus RT-AC1200 Dual Band 802.11ac Wireless Router for $59.99 should get you by for now Anonymouse, but just barely.
I have no idea if that's actually true, it's just an EXAMPLE of the sort of answer I am seeking here.

If you happen to want to recommend a PCI-e adapter for the desktop, that's a bonus.

To help get you started on the right track, here is a LIST of the BLACK FRIDAY router deals, listed on SD.
I ASSUME those under $50 - (N300 & N450) - don't really address my needs in either case.
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You can get the Archer C5 AC1200 for $60 on Cyber Monday from target.com with CYBER15 discount code. It's $70 right now, or $68 on Amazon.

Good to see you're still aroun Anon hug
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Okay, let's see if I can make my request a little more comprehensible.
(Am I really being THAT obtuse?)

A.) I don't shiv-a-git what GENERAL information you have to offer. I can read up on that for myself. In fact, I already know much of it, just not ENOUGH to make an informed decision on THIS purchase on Thursday.
Yes, I understand that AC is better than N-band, but if N-band will get me what I desire, then it is a viable recommendation. If N-band cannot deliver ACTUAL 69 Mbps throughput, then it is not.

B.) "Cheap" is relative, i.e. a $249 Netgear x6 R8000 AC3200 DD-WRT is "cheap" at $149 - compared to say, a $42 Netgear WNR3500L v2 Tomato at $25 (refurbished).

C.) This is the important one, SO PAY ATTENTION !!!
Which BLACK FRIDAY router deal is the least expensive one but which will still fit the criteria I listed.

1.) Full ACTUAL 69 Mbps throughput on listed 60 Mbps but which is probably really 100 Mbps service.
2.) "Future-proofed" for an additional 50 Mbps increase in service, to 150 Mbps, with delivery of at least 90 Mbps ACTUAL throughput possible through the router to the desktop - as a, (probably more expensive), ALTERNATIVE to #1.

2 different recommendations, but ONLY ACTUAL available BLACK FRIDAY deals are viable answers.
Example: Asus RT-AC1200 Dual Band 802.11ac Wireless Router for $59.99 should get you by for now Anonymouse, but just barely.
I have no idea if that's actually true, it's just an EXAMPLE of the sort of answer I am seeking here.

If you happen to want to recommend a PCI-e adapter for the desktop, that's a bonus.

To help get you started on the right track, here is a LIST of the BLACK FRIDAY router deals, listed on SD.
I ASSUME those under $50 - (N300 & N450) - don't really address my needs in either case.
Wow, this wins for the most passive aggressive a__hole posts in a while. If you can read up on it yourself then do it! Dont berate folks trying to help you. I cant imaging why anyone would respond to your posts for assistance. My recommendation is that you save your money and instead of buying a router look for a good deal on an attitude adjustment.
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Wow, this wins for the most passive aggressive a__hole post in a while. If you can read up on it yourself then do it! Dont berate folks trying to help you. I cant imaging why anyone would respond to your posts for assistance. My recommendation is that you save your money and instead of buying a router look for a good deal on an attitude adjustment.
So your suggestion is;

Unsolicited advice should be received with grace and equanimity, even though it TOTALLY misses the point and is as useless as tits on a boar.

There was a time, when Anonymouse used to help HUNDREDS, if not thousands, of people on this tech support board - that people were admonished to ask their support questions in as clear and precise a manner as possible, so that the people who volunteered here could answer them in as clear and precise a manner as possible - which Anonymouse took GREAT pains to do.
It usually worked out.

And if people didn't do as requested, they caught a little flack for it.
That also worked out, and kept the nutty useless stuff to a minimum.
Clearly THAT is no longer working out, as evidenced by your whiny reply to a little HONEST criticism of what amounts to answers to questions Anonymouse never asked.

Forgive my boorish self for expecting standards to have been kept up in my long absence.
I didn't realize the wimp patrol had taken over and precious egos are now the primary concern of volunteers here.

Now, are there any REAL tech support volunteers in here who ACTUALLY know their shizzle, (and aren't primarily concerned with how nicely I ask & respond), and actually know how to give tech support, (see Foreveryours' post for style clues), or was this a waste of effort on my part?
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You can get the Archer C5 AC1200 for $60 on Cyber Monday from target.com with CYBER15 discount code. It's $70 right now, or $68 on Amazon.

Good to see you're still aroun Anon hug
Thanks Foreveryours. hug
Is TP-LINK Archer a decent quality brand these days?
They used to be sorta low-end crapola.
Amazon reviews run about 4:1 in favor of, but there are some nasty reviews about their customer service and crappy quality..
One is listed as low as $64 new, from Trisomic US.

Granted I don't know nearly enough but will an AC1200 deliver what I need or should I go to the AC1750-AC1900 range for an extra $20-$30?
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So your suggestion is;

Unsolicited advice should be received with grace and equanimity, even though it TOTALLY misses the point and is as useless as tits on a boar.

There was a time, when Anonymouse used to help HUNDREDS, if not thousands, of people on this tech support board - that people were admonished to ask their support questions in as clear and precise a manner as possible, so that the people who volunteered here could answer them in as clear and precise a manner as possible - which Anonymouse took GREAT pains to do.
It usually worked out.

And if people didn't do as requested, they caught a little flack for it.
That also worked out, and kept the nutty useless stuff to a minimum.
Clearly THAT is no longer working out, as evidenced by your whiny reply to a little HONEST criticism of what amounts to answers to questions Anonymouse never asked.

Forgive my boorish self for expecting standards to have been kept up in my long absence.
I didn't realize the wimp patrol had taken over and precious egos are now the primary concern of volunteers here.

Now, are there any REAL tech support volunteers in here who ACTUALLY know their shizzle, (and aren't primarily concerned with how nicely I ask & respond), and actually know how to give tech support, (see Foreveryours' post for style clues), or was this a waste of effort on my part?
Another dumb post. Go research it yourself. You are an ungrateful leach. Keep posting in green text and referring to yourself in the third person that will surely help your cause.
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Another dumb post. Go research it yourself. You are an ungrateful leach. Keep posting in green text and referring to yourself in the third person that will surely help your cause.
laugh out loud

Passive-aggressive?
You ain't seen passive.
I am COMPLETELY aggressive when confronted with fools.

CLICK - another one bites the dust. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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laugh out loud

Passive-aggressive?
You ain't seen passive.
I am COMPLETELY aggressive when confronted with fools.

CLICK - another one bites the dust. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
The fool is the one who bites the hand that helps them. I cant understand why anyone would respond to your DEMANDS for assistance and your crap attitude. Time for you to go back the the hole you crawled out of.
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You get what you pay for to an extent. I'd say you may as well go ac, definitely get gigabit lan and dual band. If you limit yourself to an N router, don't do anything less than N300, preferably N600, you may not always get those speeds but MIMO routers will yield better performance.

Don't expect amazing black friday deals, the best products are rarely discounted. For example there was an asus n150 router for $5 AR last year, but it's range isn't very good it has a finicky power jack, and crappy throughput even between its lan ports. It works as a range extender in a pinch or to connect a piece of wired equipment, but it's barely worth the $5 it cost me, some of my old 802.11g routers actually outperform this router.

This is one of the better lists ranking / comparing routers:
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/to...outer/view
you can switch between lists of different speed routers

The TP-Link Archer C5 or C7 are often among the cheapest of the better performing routers. I always recommend reading the manual before you buy.

Check price history on amazon using a price tracker like camel^3 to get a sense of if it's actually a good deal
Your comparison chart lists the TP-LINK C9 (AC 1900) as 5th, but the C7 got #1 among AC1750 models - although it doesn't look like a market Netgear and Linksys compete as hard in.

Price tracker huh. I'll have to check that out.


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The fool is the one who bites the hand that helps them. I cant understand why anyone would respond to your DEMANDS for assistance and your crap attitude. Time for you to go back the the hole you crawled out of.
Go away. Can't you see real men are at work here?
You don't see anyone else whining, do you?
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Your comparison chart lists the TP-LINK C9 (AC 1900) as 5th, but the C7 got #1 among AC1750 models - although it doesn't look like a market Netgear and Linksys compete as hard in.

Price tracker huh. I'll have to check that out.


Go away. Can't you see real men are at work here?
You don't see anyone else whining, do you?
I will do as I please.
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I will do as I please.
Pretty evident, by now. shake head
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