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better for old machine: windows 8.1 or 10?

Damocles 3,471 January 27, 2016 at 03:36 PM
i apologize if this question is too broad to answer, but i thought i would try.

i have a 5 year old budget system (non gaming) which is starting to act slow under windows 8.1, probably due to bloat and what not. i am trying to decide if i would be better to freshly install windows 8.1 to get her rocking again, or upgrade to windows 10 while I'm at it.

AMD Phenom II X6 1045T
2.70 GHz
8 GB RAM
Windows 8.1 Pro with MC

so i guess it's a general question: is a new OS typically more efficient for an older system, or does it have even more demands for hardware that don't work as well on an old system?

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5 years old... I'd say it's time to replace the hard drive (proactively). You might want to upgrade it to an SSD.

Generally I wouldn't say OSes get leaner and more efficient, for everything that does get leaner I think they add just as much new bloat. Usually there are some settings that can improve performance on an older machine. Back everything up either way. If you try windows 10 and they aren't happy with you can always restore from the backup. I'm not enamored by windows 10, but I will probably upgrade to it while it's still free at least temporarily. If you know what you're doing you can turn off most of the privacy invading features of windows 10.
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5 years old... I'd say it's time to replace the hard drive (proactively). You might want to upgrade it to an SSD.

Generally I wouldn't say OSes get leaner and more efficient, for everything that does get leaner I think they add just as much new bloat. Usually there are some settings that can improve performance on an older machine. Back everything up either way. If you try windows 10 and they aren't happy with you can always restore from the backup. I'm not enamored by windows 10, but I will probably upgrade to it while it's still free at least temporarily. If you know what you're doing you can turn off most of the privacy invading features of windows 10.
thanks man, i did upgrade to SSD and have replaced the hard drives. that's one reason it's been a great computer.
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I think you lose Media Center with W10.
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Quote from Damocles View Post :
i apologize if this question is too broad to answer, but i thought i would try.

i have a 5 year old budget system (non gaming) which is starting to act slow under windows 8.1, probably due to bloat and what not. i am trying to decide if i would be better to freshly install windows 8.1 to get her rocking again, or upgrade to windows 10 while I'm at it.

AMD Phenom II X6 1045T
2.70 GHz
8 GB RAM
Windows 8.1 Pro with MC

so i guess it's a general question: is a new OS typically more efficient for an older system, or does it have even more demands for hardware that don't work as well on an old system?

One can always debate this as it is in part a function of what you use the machine for, but it really depends on which OS. They do not necessarily get better as they advance.

For example, Win XP was very good at what it did and ran rather well on what would be considered dinosaurs now incapable of running Windows 7. Windows Vista when it first came out was a pig...Windows 7 though followed and was very good. Generally, if given the choice with an older machine capable of running Win 7, I would stick with Win 7 and avoid the Metro bloat of Win8.1\10. Win 8.1\10 adds nothing of value to anyone with an old desktop imo (one could argue it offers nothing of real value to anyone lol). Yes it might be marginally faster but as noted already by jkee, it adds enough bloat to probably more than nullify any marginal gain in that area and if you are comfortable with Win 7 on an older machine, then there really is no reason to change imo. My 2 cents. If the choice is between Win 8/1 and 10 though, then definitely 10 if for no other reason in that they at least attempted to fix some of the mistakes they made with 8.1.
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If you were saying Win 7 vs 10 I would say stick with 7 but since your talking 8. Go ahead and upgrade to 10. MS is quickly pushing the 10 install. You machine should have no trouble with it, especially with 8gb ram and an SSD. W10 does add value in terms of security and will be the strong way forward. Win 10 does some neat stuff for optimizing older hardware. Like if the PC is fast enough it can compress some of the windows folders that traditionally have been non compressible and then decompress on the fly to save space etc.
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There are plenty of brand new PCs that have less powerful processors than your 1045t. Go ahead and run Win 10.

Running 10 on my 1055t. Just upgraded to a GTX 970 and only now starting to see the CPU be my bottleneck.
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I run windows 10 on much worse computers, that one will be better than fine. It'll fly with a SSD.

If you want to do a fresh install for windows 10 easily, run the upgrade on your windows 8 machine. When thats finished, you can run the windows 10 recovery tool and 'reset' your pc. This will erase everything like a fresh install.

IMO Windows 8.1 is simply designed for a touch screen and isn't as enjoyable to use with a regular mouse and keyboard. Windows 10 is great, I would go for the upgrade. I don't have a good reason to tell you not to. It actually does have things that 8 and 7 don't have that I use.
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From a Forbes article

Here is a date which should worry you: July 29th 2016. This is the date Microsoft MSFT +0.00% will start charging for Windows 10. Here is another date which should worry you more: July 17th, 2017. Why? Because it just made July 29th, 2016 one heck of a lot worse

July 17th, 2017 is the last day Microsoft lets win7 or 8 to be used on cutting edge computers

What Does The Future Hold?

The worst case scenario sees Microsoft evolve free Windows 10 into a SaaS (software as a service) model complete with monthly subscription in a few years time (Windows 10.1?)

July 29th, 2016 Windows 10 will cost just as much as previous versions of Windows for anyone who has yet to upgrade

you can go to forbes and read the article.
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July 29th, 2016 Windows 10 will cost just as much as previous versions of Windows for anyone who has yet to upgrade
I certainly plan to 'upgrade' to lock in a free copy by that date, the question is whether I restore a backup of 7/8 afterwards (preserving my access to a free copy of 10 in the future if I have a change of heart.

I also have to question if Microsoft will really stick to their guns on this issue. It's not exactly like they're going to have many people lining up to pay full price. It will just piss people off and most will probably wait until their computer dies and buy a new pc (what most people do anyway, Microsoft doesn't make that much per seat on oem licenses) or a mac if they're angry enough at Microsoft.
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I certainly plan to 'upgrade' to lock in a free copy by that date, the question is whether I restore a backup of 7/8 afterwards (preserving my access to a free copy of 10 in the future if I have a change of heart.

I also have to question if Microsoft will really stick to their guns on this issue. It's not exactly like they're going to have many people lining up to pay full price. It will just piss people off and most will probably wait until their computer dies and buy a new pc (what most people do anyway, Microsoft doesn't make that much per seat on oem licenses) or a mac if they're angry enough at Microsoft.
only matter of time before all software goes to SaaS. Price the outright purchase high and subscriptions low. Office ring a bell? This has been the writing on the wall for years

My understanding is after 7/29/2016 is the last free upgrade. backup isn't going to get it.
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