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I like the addition of number of posts stat to commenter

Silver_Fox 1,037 872 March 30, 2016 at 06:40 PM
I like the addition of the stat of number of posts to a commenter / poster's info - which happened today. This along with the reputation stat helps to roughly see the "quality" of posts, by the ratio of reputation to posts.

Members who have been around a long time build up reputation. But many of the posts may be "I bought one" or other not helpful posts - maybe to reach the next "level" (which I also have a problem with).

But new, energetic members may have a low reputation level but also have a low number of posts. Adding the number of posts will help show the helpfulness of some of these helpful but low reputation level members, while their reputation continues to grow.

This is not perfect - some members gain reputation from the deals they posted. Adding the latter stat to a comment is not that useful, since we're dealing with comments....

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However, less useful is adding the number of posts next to the OP of a deal - like you started today. The addition is somewhat dubious. And the small icons next to the stats for the number of posts and the reputation are SMALL - making it hard to figure out which is which. I think the reputation should come FIRST like in the past - not last / second like from today's change. A better stat, instead of number of posts for the deal OP, may be the number of deals posted.

Again, it is problematic to gauge "quality" roughly with a ratio of reputation to deals posted or ratio of reputation to number of posts, because reputation comes from both reputation given to deals and to comments. However, I welcome the addition of stats - but preferably the number of deals next to the deal OP, AFTER the reputation, instead of using the number of posts for a DEAL.

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EDIT: I also want to know how user settings will affect the appearance of these stats. Currently, in the Privacy Options, a user can choose to not display (hide) its reputation level.

Showing the number of posts without the reputation level of a commenter - really lowers the value of the first stat. A "spammer" type commenter can then look good with a high number of posts, but hide the reputation level which would expose the lack of usefulness of those comments.

Likewise, IF you add the option to turn off the display of the number of posts (like for reputation), that allows an old member with a high reputation level, but lots of spam posts to also hide that.

You should not have one without the other. Any privacy option to hide one should hide both. Or just remove this privacy option altogether. The user can still protect individual privacy details in the Public Activity Stream. I personally find it suspicious when a commenter chooses to hide his reputation level - makes me wonder why - casts a shadow on what he says.

(I am glad that display of reputation is different than the settings for the Public Activity Stream, where there is granularity in individual settings.)

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EDIT: Regardless, I try to take each comment and deal on the surface, on its own merits.

But this will help newly registered users, who sometimes get discriminated against, e.g. their opinions are discounted, just because they haven't built up their reputation level yet. Seeing the ratio of reputation to other stats will help....

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I like the addition of the stat of number of posts to a commenter / poster's info - which happened today. This along with the reputation stat helps to roughly see the "quality" of posts, by the ratio of reputation to posts.

Members who have been around a long time build up reputation. But many of the posts may be "I bought one" or other not helpful posts - maybe to reach the next "level" (which I also have a problem with).

But new, energetic members may have a low reputation level but also have a low number of posts. Adding the number of posts will help show the helpfulness of some of these helpful but low reputation level members, while their reputation continues to grow.

This is not perfect - some members gain reputation from the deals they posted. Adding the latter stat to a comment is not that useful, since we're dealing with comments....

==============================

However, less useful is adding the number of posts next to the OP of a deal - like you started today. The addition is somewhat dubious. And the small icons next to the stats for the number of posts and the reputation are SMALL - making it hard to figure out which is which. I think the reputation should come FIRST like in the past - not last / second like from today's change. A better stat, instead of number of posts for the deal OP, may be the number of deals posted.

Again, it is problematic to gauge "quality" roughly with a ratio of reputation to deals posted or ratio of reputation to number of posts, because reputation comes from both reputation given to deals and to comments. However, I welcome the addition of stats - but preferably the number of deals next to the deal OP, AFTER the reputation, instead of using the number of posts for a DEAL.

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EDIT: I also want to know how user settings will affect the appearance of these stats. Currently, in the Privacy Options, a user can choose to not display (hide) its reputation level.

Showing the number of posts without the reputation level of a commenter - really lowers the value of the first stat. A "spammer" type commenter can then look good with a high number of posts, but hide the reputation level which would expose the lack of usefulness of those comments.

Likewise, IF you add the option to turn off the display of the number of posts (like for reputation), that allows an old member with a high reputation level, but lots of spam posts to also hide that.

You should not have one without the other. Any privacy option to hide one should hide both. Or just remove this privacy option altogether. The user can still protect individual privacy details in the Public Activity Stream. I personally find it suspicious when a commenter chooses to hide his reputation level - makes me wonder why - casts a shadow on what he says.

(I am glad that display of reputation is different than the settings for the Public Activity Stream, where there is granularity in individual settings.)

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EDIT: Regardless, I try to take each comment and deal on the surface, on its own merits.

But this will help newly registered users, who sometimes get discriminated against, e.g. their opinions are discounted, just because they haven't built up their reputation level yet. Seeing the ratio of reputation to other stats will help....
Hi,

I understand your point about rep to post ratio but that's not always a true indication to go by.
Yes if they have low posts and high reps then they likely had some very nice deals.
But also consider the member who has been here a long time and posted in many threads...having been an active part of the community but who hasn't necessarily beat an OP to the punch in posting deals. Their input should also be considered IMO.


This implementation was just mirroring what we already have in Classic View.
The post count is just one tool to use when wondering about a posters input and validity.

We allow the option for each member to keep their reputation private which also disallows people to rep them.

This isn't new to the site ...just Redesign catching up with Classic.
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Quote from Schooby View Post :
Hi,

I understand your point about rep to post ratio but that's not always a true indication to go by.
Yes if they have low posts and high reps then they likely had some very nice deals.
But also consider the member who has been here a long time and posted in many threads...having been an active part of the community but who hasn't necessarily beat an OP to the punch in posting deals. Their input should also be considered IMO.


This implementation was just mirroring what we already have in Classic View.
The post count is just one tool to use when wondering about a posters input and validity.

We allow the option for each member to keep their reputation private which also disallows people to rep them.

This isn't new to the site ...just Redesign catching up with Classic.
We do not really disagree.

I did say a couple of times that reputation depends on reps from comments and reps from deals, so both of those are important. That's why I said a rough guide to "quality", when only one or the other is placed next to the reputation stat. A whole picture would take the three stats into account, and other factors like membership age (but even that can be misleading for those who have gaps in participation).

I also said the addition of stats is useful. I can see why we don't want to add too many stats. I just find the addition of number of posts to commenters more useful than the addition of same to a deal OP.

I want to repeat the recommendation to put the reputation first, then the number of posts. People are used to seeing only the reputation next to the deal OP, so may assume the same of the stat next to the OP now, especially with the tiny icons.
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We do not really disagree.

I did say a couple of times that reputation depends on reps from comments and reps from deals, so both of those are important. That's why I said a rough guide to "quality", when only one or the other is placed next to the reputation stat. A whole picture would take the three stats into account, and other factors like membership age (but even that can be misleading for those who have gaps in participation).

I also said the addition of stats is useful. I can see why we don't want to add too many stats. I just find the addition of number of posts to commenters more useful than the addition of same to a deal OP.

I want to repeat the recommendation to put the reputation first, then the number of posts. People are used to seeing only the reputation next to the deal OP, so may assume the same of the stat next to the OP now, especially with the tiny icons.
Hi,

This just mirrors the classic version which always has had the post count just above the rep count.
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Members who have been around a long time build up reputation. But many of the posts may be "I bought one" or other not helpful posts - maybe to reach the next "level" (which I also have a problem with).
And yet users aren't allowed to turn off post count display for some reason. They can turn off rep display but not post count display. Allowing that would let those people not be judged unfairly.

Post count alone is used by some to disparage others. "Too low" and you can get "What do you know, Mr. low post count?" "Too high" and you can get "What do you know, Mr. way too many posts?"

It gets even more skewed since Lounge posts don't count towards the total but Podium posts do.

I don't know why Slickdeals doesn't allow post count to be turned off.
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I for one am glad that post count cannot be turned off. There are many posters who do nothing but crap on threads. They rarely post positive comments but are always ready with negative comments.

I have over 15 people on the ignore list. Many of them have high post count compared to rep points. Something like 5000 posts and 300 rep points. Having that data made it really easy because I can safely put them on ignore knowing they are not deal posters.
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