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Apple [latimes.com] wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone.

It looks like Apple needs to rethink its security on their devices. I'm still avoiding IOS 9.3 I learned my lesson with 9.2.

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Still way better than Android security
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They're approximately the same, unless you buy a crappy Android. They both have a secure chip that stores the real encryption key, and that will protect you from anyone that isn't willing to spend a ton of money on forensic tools.

If you rooted your phone or disabled encryption, you're less secure, but you have no one to blame but yourself.

Edit: Though it's also worth noting that a lot of Android manufacturers don't care that much about security. Google and the Nexus line of phones are probably the only ones I'd trust.
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Their security "isn't so good" because an Israeli cyber security firm that specializes in hacking mobile devices found a vulnerability?

C'mon son.
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Smartphones are computers. All Computer operating systems have security exploits if you look hard enough. A lot of these private security firms find these and keep them quite and sell them to the highest bidder, often intelligent divisions of major governments. This is not new and doesn't make the platform inherently bad. In general the iPhone is quite secure, probably a bit better than most androids and this is coming from someone who is an Android user and fan.
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Quote from dale_101798 View Post :
Apple [latimes.com] wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone.

It looks like Apple needs to rethink its security on their devices. I'm still avoiding IOS 9.3 I learned my lesson with 9.2.
Really?
iOS 9.3 has some nifty features and is reportedly the most stable mobile OS in years (source: http://appleinsider.com/articles/...firm-finds)

As for the FBI thing: they probably used some form of nand mirroring. It's well accepted that if someone has physical access to your device, you're pretty much owned, it's just a matter of time.
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Really?
iOS 9.3 has some nifty features and is reportedly the most stable mobile OS in years
We have two 4S's and I have no desire to "upgrade" when this phone does more than I need. v.9.1 broke our phones until Apple released 9.2 I don't relish going through that again. Why would Apple intentionally brick all 4S's? Answer = they wanted a bunch of new sales until the class action lawsuits started piling up. [Well that's my guess anyway.]

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Quote from dale_101798 View Post :
We have two 4S's and I have no desire to "upgrade" when this phone does more than I need. v.9.1 broke our phones until Apple released 9.2 I don't relish going through that again. Why would Apple intentionally brick all 4S's? Answer = they wanted a bunch of new sales until the class action lawsuits started piling up. [Well that's my guess anyway.]

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There's a limit to how long it's practical to support old hardware. I don't think apple really intended to brick/cripple old devices, they just did a lot less testing on the oldest devices. All they really need to do to keep people happy is make it possible to downgrade the oldest hardware, but that could make it easier for government agencies to get in to the phones.

The lawsuit probably made fixing the issues on old devices a higher priority.

Android and iOS both have flaws. There are a lot more Android devices that are very out of date and have know vulnerabilities. Android is open source and Google has a bug bounty unlike Apple which makes it easier to find exploits and there's an incentive to tell google.
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There's a limit to how long it's practical to support old hardware. I don't think apple really intended to brick/cripple old devices, they just did a lot less testing on the oldest devices. All they really need to do to keep people happy is make it possible to downgrade the oldest hardware, but that could make it easier for government agencies to get in to the phones.

The lawsuit probably made fixing the issues on old devices a higher priority.

Android and iOS both have flaws. There are a lot more Android devices that are very out of date and have know vulnerabilities. Android is open source and Google has a bug bounty unlike Apple which makes it easier to find exploits and there's an incentive to tell google.
Yes I know but if I could I would go back to IOS8 and NEVER upgrade from there. Our phones were perfect with 8. GRRRMad Apple won't allow going back to v8.x [the anger keeps piling on]. We should be allowed to decide the version of OS on our devices. (kicks apple in the gonads). I still use windows xp and for my purposes it does the job of faxing and non internet wot-not perfectly. Stick Out Tongue Even my Windows 2000 file server works flawlessly.
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Yes I know but if I could I would go back to IOS8 and NEVER upgrade from there. Our phones were perfect with 8. GRRRMad Apple won't allow going back to v8.x [the anger keeps piling on]. We should be allowed to decide the version of OS on our devices. (kicks apple in the gonads). I still use windows xp and for my purposes it does the job of faxing and non internet wot-not perfectly. Stick Out Tongue Even my Windows 2000 file server works flawlessly.
you still use windows xp? why are you so attached to old products?

apple has a great marketing team which makes you buy new devices constantly, also charging you top-dollar for their product. they are really good at it. I hate it but what are you gunna do.
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Quote from dale_101798 View Post :
We have two 4S's and I have no desire to "upgrade" when this phone does more than I need. v.9.1 broke our phones until Apple released 9.2 I don't relish going through that again.
I actually agree with you here - by trying to do right for their customers and not force hardware upgrades to get new software goodies, Apple ends up extending the support cycles of these older devices for 3+ years and ends up creating at times a negative customer experience.

This is perhaps changing slightly now as the older generation devices are 'aging out' and the more recent CPUs kind of have more longevity in terms of power.
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you still use windows xp? why are you so attached to old products?

apple has a great marketing team which makes you buy new devices constantly, also charging you top-dollar for their product. they are really good at it. I hate it but what are you gunna do.
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I actually agree with you here - by trying to do right for their customers and not force hardware upgrades to get new software goodies, Apple ends up extending the support cycles of these older devices for 3+ years and ends up creating at times a negative customer experience.

This is perhaps changing slightly now as the older generation devices are 'aging out' and the more recent CPUs kind of have more longevity in terms of power.
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