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Beware of Amazon Marketplace

vroomfondel 195 70 April 23, 2016 at 07:23 AM in News
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If this is common knowledge, forgive me.

I bought a 32GB MicroSD card through an Amazon marketplace seller on a deal posted here. The card of course was counterfeit, the vast majority of the high capacity Micro SD cards are fakes, it's so easy to do and so many people don't notice. I assumed that Amazon would weed out bad sellers and that buying through them would be a measure of protection not found in the wild wild west of Ebay. I was completely wrong, the Amazon marketplace system is rigged to protect bad sellers and outright thieves.

This seems astounding to me, but I've verified it with Amazon. In the Amazon marketplace, sellers themselves have tools to remove negative feedback left about them. They only can only do so on issues that are "resolved", so they can only do it if they have issued a refund and officially closed the matter in Amazon's eyes. So they can, under Amazon's system, rip off a million people by selling counterfeit products, issue refunds to the people that notice and keep the money of the people that don't. Sell a million fake Flash cards, get 500,000 complaints about the cards being fake (it would be less than that, most people wouldn't notice) issue 500,000 refunds and keep the money from the other 500,000 suckers who didn't notice. Not only is that allowed under Amazons system, that seller could then nuke all 500,000 complaints about them, remove every bit of negative feedback and maintain a 100% seller rating. And the people who left the negative feedback would be powerless to warn others about what's happening. In short, the Amazon feedback system is completely fraudulent and useless.

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yep. me too. screwed by a 3rd party seller with an item completely different than the picture, not once but twice.

this is one of the reasons why we have a new guideline for 3rd party sellers on amazon.

http://slickdeals.net/f/40596-rules-faq-tips-store-contact-info-common-abbreviations?v=1&p=82389575#post82389575
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OP bought no name brand MicroSD card?
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OP bought no name brand MicroSD card?
OP bought a RETAIL package Kingston card through a seller with 100% positive feedback on Amazon. That's the point. Dozens of people got counterfeit merchandise from an Amazon-approved seller with 100% rating, dozens of people complained and left negative feedback, seller was allowed to remove that feedback on their own, seller STILL has 100% rating. Try to pay attention.
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oh i wouldn't trust what it says on package or listings.

friend of mine posted this on their fb page advising others (and hah, just 2 days ago). the packaging says "ul certified" but in reality, there is no such thing for hoverboards. and this article also mentions counterfeit samsung batteries as well.

http://abc7.com/news/thousands-of...t/1303141/

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"These boards are deemed counterfeit because they are displaying the UL certification mark. This mark, here, means safety. It stands for that this board has been safety tested...and as of today, there are no UL-certified hoverboards," said Kevin Olive, a UL representative.
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Hey what was the deal posted on here your referencing? link would be super helpful. was it 6.99 or 7.99 with free shipping? I grabbed one for my mom's phone and think it was Kingston. was on the camera company website as well if I remember correctly.
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Yep... My and another neg.review of a Amazon third party seller for pretty much the same issue disappeared the day after they were posted. This thread should me a PSA in "Hot Deals".
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i can move this to "product reviews" if the op wants.

this will get buried in deal talks fast.
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Hey what was the deal posted on here your referencing? link would be super helpful. was it 6.99 or 7.99 with free shipping? I grabbed one for my mom's phone and think it was Kingston. was on the camera company website as well if I remember correctly.
It was $7.52 or something like that with free shipping. I can't find it, maybe it got merged with another thread or killed when the deal died.

The point is that ANYONE who has bought flash memory from any source should verify it with H2testw before using it. The cards are pretty much visually identical to original and come in packaging that looks just like retail. But they're 1GB or 4GB class 4 or class 6 counterfeited to look like 32GB or 64GB class 10. The microcontroller is hacked to self-report as 32GB or 64GB. So when you install the card in a device like a camera or phone the device doesn't test the capacity, it reads the hacked self-report and automatically identifies the card as the capacity it says it is, not what it really is. The only way to know for sure is to write data to the card and see where/if it chokes. You can buy a supposedly 64GB card, stick it in your phone, check and the phone will tell you it's really 64GB. Then start recording your kids school play or babies first steps and all the data will be corrupt because it's only a 1GB card pretending to be 64GB. That's a fairly significant problem. And while you might expect that to be the case with no-name cards from ebay, you should expect more from an Amazon verified seller with 100% positive feedback. It's not just that the cards are faked, the whole system is faked to allow the faked cards to keep getting through with Amazon's seal of approval. Do your homework, check the sellers credentials, see they're 100% perfect, buy with confidence. Then you're hosed because that 100% is no more real than the card is.


If you've bought flash memory from any source, even supposedly good vendors like Amazon or NewEgg, you MUST test it to be sure it's legit. The fakes are slipping through legit channels. Go here https://www.raymond.cc/blog/test-...h-h2testw/


Download h2testw for free and run it. You can't trust them any other way except to verify.
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i can move this to "product reviews" if the op wants.

this will get buried in deal talks fast.
I didn't know exactly where to put it. If you think there's a more appropriate place for it, please feel free to move it wherever you think would be best. Thanks.
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oh i wouldn't trust what it says on package or listings.

friend of mine posted this on their fb page advising others (and hah, just 2 days ago). the packaging says "ul certified" but in reality, there is no such thing for hoverboards. and this article also mentions counterfeit samsung batteries as well.

http://abc7.com/news/thousands-of...t/1303141/
Damn. How can we trust those UL certifications from now on?
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Yeah, Amazon sellers can delete negative feedback if the order was fulfilled by Amazon. I would recommend you contacting Amazon directly or reporting to Amazon the experience that you have had with this seller. Counterfeiting products on Amazon is actually a huge policy violation and they can remove the selling privileges if found guilty.

Report them here and provide the best possible details:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/reports/contact-us
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Yeah, Amazon sellers can delete negative feedback if the order was fulfilled by Amazon. I would recommend you contacting Amazon directly or reporting to Amazon the experience that you have had with this seller. Counterfeiting products on Amazon is actually a huge policy violation and they can remove the selling privileges if found guilty.

Report them here and provide the best possible details:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/reports/contact-us
Have reported them. Have had numerous conversations with various reps at Amazon and the company I dealt with is still on Amazon, still a seller in good standing, still at 100% and still hawking counterfeit cards. I have a long paper trail showing that Amazon is aware of the problems with this seller and of Amazon acknowledging that they know the system is rigged and that sellers are faking their ratings. I've been hoping for a resolution with Amazon, but since they seem to not give a damn I'm going to go full psycho on their asses.
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Quote from AchillesTorres View Post :
Yeah, Amazon sellers can delete negative feedback if the order was fulfilled by Amazon. I would recommend you contacting Amazon directly or reporting to Amazon the experience that you have had with this seller. Counterfeiting products on Amazon is actually a huge policy violation and they can remove the selling privileges if found guilty.

Report them here and provide the best possible details:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/reports/contact-us
Amazon will only remove negative feedback related to shipping and handling issues, not for counterfeit products.
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Well, as long as they keep making money no reason to change the system.
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