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Anybody else disturbed by the existence of this comcast website, or is my tin foil hat two sizes too big?

jkee 4,922 2,048 May 4, 2016 at 05:06 PM
So, my sister had a burglary recently and I was talking to her about various technological things we could do to improve her security. Security cameras, getting her alarm monitored again, home automation, etc.

Unfortunately, her budget is a little tight to pull off many of the options right now, and a few extra locks and some security window film are taking precedent. That got me thinking about some cheaper options initially some things using old/cheap cell phones. I haven't been able to find an app that quite does what I have in mind, I may get around to writing it one of these days.

Then I thought about how stores track the mac addresses of people's phones and their locations inside stores. I did a little searching to find some of the old articles I'd read on the subject and open source code. This will also take some effort to get it to do exactly what I want and maybe some special hardware that could handle the temperatures in the garage, but a pi or cheap router will probably do.

In my searches, I stumbled on this little gem (link modified to prevent crawling and all you can see is a log in page)
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b e a c o n t r a c k .comcast.net/login.php
I couldn't help pondering a fairly evil thought, what if comcast was applying similar tracking techniques to every residential gateway running xfinity wifi...

thoughts?
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I wouldn't put it past Comcast or any other internet access company. Comcast could only track their own customers, because they are the only people with login information, but just think about that for a second or two.

You get up in the morning and after breakfast you check your email accounts [Track Point 1 (They now know you are home)]. Later in the day you use a Comcast gateway to check your email again [Track Point 2 (They now know you are at the corner of 10th Ave & 2nd St]. They also know the time and duration of this location visit.

I have Comcast here at home but I personally have never used a remote residential gateway yet.

This is what struck me about your post above, I think you should trademark or patent the phone MAC address tracking for use in home security systems. I have not heard of any security company doing this to date. Not many crooks would think to leave their phones at home while they are out burglarizing?

Just the idea could be worth ½ mil Smilie
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SimplySafe 14.99 month
$189 refurb or $207 new for basic system
2 entry, 1 motion 1 remote. new only comes with 1 entry sensor
I'll even throw in $50 to help her out if you're helping her
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I wouldn't put it past Comcast or any other internet access company. Comcast could only track their own customers, because they are the only people with login information, but just think about that for a second or two.
They could actually track anybody within range of the router, you wouldn't even have to connect. They would have more data about their own customers, but some of their privacy policies might get in the way of that. If they started sharing that data with a company like euclid things would go downhill fast.

I'm hoping they just have some commercial services similar to what companies like euclid do and that there's no data sharing/collection on the residential side.

As to patents and such you'd have to license many existing patents and there are few technical considerations that may limit viability. I've had a few patentable ideas slip through my fingers over the years like the skate shoes I designed for my 4th grade science fair.
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SimplySafe 14.99 month...
I'll even throw in $50 to help her out if you're helping her
I like SimpliSafe more than a lot of security companies, but it isn't quite the right fit. Thanks for the info and offer, but it isn't necessary. She already has a very robust honeywell system (one of the best installed I've ever seen that wasn't pre-wired at construction) that came with the house. Using it just makes more sense. It has a 2G communicator that's probably locked to the old company, but 2G is shutting down anyway. It needs a couple other very minor repairs / changes that I can handle easily. Part of the challenge is the alarm permit issues in her county. Permitting not withstanding somebody like geoarm is probably the cheapest option to use the existing alarm (I need to check the software version). You can get napco cellular communicators really cheap on ebay they can't upload/download a honeywell panel, but it's always an option.

A few cameras and a couple new un-broken yard signs off ebay will probably do as much or more good than alarm monitoring. The budget issues I mentioned are just a matter of insurance deductible and the fact that kids are expensive.
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When we were robbed, it was pretty stressful. Even though in my mind I always thought I didn't care, it hit hard. Slept by the door, 1st week I would have killed anyone that opened it at night. With all the thoughts running through my mind, I wish I would have had a camera record who it was. Just to answer the question of, Did I know them. Our insurance was good to us and replaced everything. I did add few $$ to the list to cover anything I might not have noticed missing. I'm glad I did, they had a limit on jewelry and cash. 1000$ limit on jewelry didn't cover the wifes stuff...

edit: not 100% sure but on the deductible, she won't have to come up with it upfront, they should take it out of any $$ sent to her.
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Springfield or Glock. Starting around $550 new. Unless you live in a state that treats criminals better than you, in which case my condolences.
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Springfield or Glock. Starting around $550 new. Unless you live in a state that treats criminals better than you, in which case my condolences.
She's already covered on that front, but I think it's time to bolt down the gun safe.
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I've had a few patentable ideas slip through my fingers over the years like the skate shoes I designed for my 4th grade science fair.
Me too. I am not trying to hijack your thread but... Imaging how I felt when I honestly believe that I invented the 1st led lighted fishing lure [yodaveproducts.com]

I showed some other fisherman how I filled my limit in a really poor lake in less that an hour. I even explained how to put one together and pretty much didn't follow through with the idea of getting a patent. It makes me sick to think that I could have retired or started my own business years ago. Frown
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Me too. I am not trying to hijack your thread but... Imaging how I felt when I honestly believe that I invented the 1st led lighted fishing lure [yodaveproducts.com]
Simply patenting something doesn't guarantee you'll make much money from it. Patent lawyer's profits are far more assured. My grandpa had a few patents to his name that he barely made any money from including one for a high efficiency vehicle drive system (think 70mpg in the late 70's) that included regenerative breaking. His employer sold the patent to the DOD for next to nothing in an attempt to win a big contract, it was then classified for about 15 years before it was sold to an oil company (who refused to license it to anyone).
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Simply patenting something doesn't guarantee you'll make much money from it. Patent lawyer's profits are far more assured. My grandpa had a few patents to his name that he barely made any money from including one for a high efficiency vehicle drive system (think 70mpg in the late 70's) that included regenerative breaking. His employer sold the patent to the DOD for next to nothing in an attempt to win a big contract, it was then classified for about 15 years before it was sold to an oil company (who refused to license it to anyone).
Wtf is a classified patent?
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Wtf is a classified patent?
That's the story I was told, he died a long time ago. It seemed a little strange to me too, but is is a real thing, though technically it looks like it isn't patented until the secrecy order is removed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inv...ecrecy_Act

Back to the question, do we think a regular finalist for worst company in america would deploy an Orwellian system to track millions of Americans in their homes/near their neighbor's homes without their knowledge?
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That's the story I was told, he died a long time ago. It seemed a little strange to me too, but is is a real thing, though technically it looks like it isn't patented until the secrecy order is removed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inv...ecrecy_Act

Back to the question, do we think a regular finalist for worst company in america would deploy an Orwellian system to track millions of Americans in their homes/near their neighbor's homes without their knowledge?
I say yes. I'm sure it's being done now to the extent of just collect it and we'll figure out what to do with it later. Just like Google was/is doing with the wifi being picked up from the mapping vehicles.

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You can't use that part of it in court, but you could use what you see from those locations (as long as you're never caught using that data).

picks me up at my house and along the way to Florida. Wifi picks me up near the Pill Mill once a month. Can't arrest me on that but, I drive a beater with a taillight out or forget to signal....

Now on the highway I know when I'm followed. We're the only ones doing 90
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Quote from dale_101798 View Post :
Me too. I am not trying to hijack your thread but... Imaging how I felt when I honestly believe that I invented the 1st led lighted fishing lure [yodaveproducts.com]

I showed some other fisherman how I filled my limit in a really poor lake in less that an hour. I even explained how to put one together and pretty much didn't follow through with the idea of getting a patent. It makes me sick to think that I could have retired or started my own business years ago. Frown
could be, the one I used before I was a teenager (1977) was not LED. Big POS!
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